| Subject: Re: importance of the 9:00 3km high school runner |
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Date Posted: 20:20:41 03/14/01 Wed
In reply to:
56.4
's message, "Re: importance of the 9:00 3km high school runner" on 19:39:38 03/14/01 Wed
Never said superior, I just know that coaching is not being taken seriously at some institutions. Long term planning like in highschool needs to be carried out. Sorry about the Dork comment. I just get frustrated that if your not 8.30 you are nothing.
>Good one...i'm glad to see your able to carry on a
>dialogue without insulting people. I'm sure everyones
>curious as to how these people approach the sport. If
>your so superior help them out with your insight.
>
>
>
>
>You are a dork...capable with 4 hard years of work
>>yes. The way most of the names you put on this list
>>approach the sport, NO WAY !!!
>>
>>
>>
>>>I said CAPABLE of finishing top 6o. I believe you
>>>forgot to include Mccomb AND Mazzotta to the list( i
>>>could be wrong). And these 2 runner have not broken
>>>14 or 30.
>>>
>>>UBC-miline,wood
>>>alberta-norminton
>>>sask-epp
>>>manitoba-booth,thrift
>>>windsor-hahn,mackensie
>>>guelph-bendo,murphy,colaset
>>>sherbrook-bourque
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Every Canadian school does not have a kid that can
>>>>finish in the top 60 in the D1 meet. This is a
>>>>statement that might make us feel better about
>>>>ourselves but it is not true. This year only, Murry
>>>>Link, Steve Bohan, Ryan Hayden and maybe Marc
>>>>Striowski actually got this done. There best times
>on
>>>>the track last year were: Link 13.50
>>>> Bohan 29.04
>>>> Hayden 3.42
>>>> Marc 29.54
>>>>There is not even 15 athletes in All of Canada that
>>>>hit these times last year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is obvious that some coaches do a much better
>job
>>>>>of recruiting. But with out scholarships to offer
>>it
>>>>>is difficult to recruit out of province.
>>>>>
>>>>>I really don't believe coaches are all that
>>different
>>>>>in motivating their athletes to reach their
>>>potential.
>>>>> Virtually every canadian university has a distance
>>>>>runner that is capable of place top 60 at d1 xc
>cc.
>>>>>And most of these guys were only 8:50 types in hs.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why would an athlete compete under a coach that did
>>>>>not meet their needs??? As a result many athletes
>>>>>have the option of choosing which coach best meets
>>>>>their needs(as far as i know many universities
>allow
>>>>>atheletes to continue training under their club
>>>>coach).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Give me a break. A coach can only go as far as
>>>>>>>providing a program for their athletes. The rest
>>>is
>>>>>>>up to the runner. It is ridiculous comparing the
>>>>>ciau
>>>>>>>and ncaa. For the most part the mentality of a
>>>>10:00
>>>>>>>2 miler competing for a canadian as opposed to an
>>>>>>>american team are very different. For example at
>>>>the
>>>>>>>ci level this athlete would be a counter in xc.
>>At
>>>>>>>ncaa this athlete would not even race, and would
>>>>>>>ultimately be under great preassure to improve.
>I
>>>>>>>also suspect a 10:00 2 miler at the ncaa level
>>>would
>>>>>>>have a greater desire to comitt himself to
>>>>improving,
>>>>>>>as opposed to a ciau runner who is an average
>>>runner
>>>>>>>on the team(far less preasasure). my 2 cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A coach can only go as far as providing a program
>>>>for
>>>>>>his athlete? I believe there is alot more to
>being
>>>a
>>>>>>(good)coach than just writing a program and
>>>expecting
>>>>>>the athlete to improve. The coach has to show
>>>>interest
>>>>>>in his athlete, talk to him privatly about goals,
>>>how
>>>>>>the body is adapting to the training and make
>>>>>>appropriate adjustments. The coach has the ability
>>>to
>>>>>>inspire his athletes to reach for bigger and
>better
>>>>>>things to want to improve and not to be satisfied
>>as
>>>>a
>>>>>>15:00 minute 5k runner.
>>>>>> I ask why is it that the coaches at home who are
>>>>>>completly involved with their athletes and have
>>>taken
>>>>>>the approch that their kids can do what ever their
>>>>>>peers are doing in the US, are the coaches with
>teh
>>>>>>most sucess right now? These coaches have their
>>>>>>athletes beleiving they can run competitive times,
>>>>>>believing that it is not fine just to be average.
>>>>>>The coach has to take some of accountabilty for
>>what
>>>>>>his athletes are achieving or not achieving.
>>>>>> A 9 minute kid at home who has a coach who is
>>truly
>>>>>>commited to developing his athlete has many of the
>>>>>>same advantages a 10 minute 2 miler from the US
>>has,
>>>>>>there is a drastic improvement curve for such a
>>>>runner
>>>>>>in the proper enviornment be it Canada or the US.
>>>>>>Unless you think the american kid is more talented
>>>>>>than the canadian kid and I definalty don't think
>>>so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>you are completly right! 9 minute 3k kids might
>>not
>>>>>>>>seem like anything special when compared to the
>>>>8:30
>>>>>>>>kids but they sure can develop into something.
>>>>>>>>Cutting these kids instead of working their
>asses
>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>is definalty the wrong approach. I've seen these
>>>>>kids
>>>>>>>>do some impressive things. Here at WVU we've had
>>a
>>>>>>lot
>>>>>>>>of walk on kids at around the 10 minute 2 mile
>>>>(over
>>>>>>>>9:00 3000m) out of high school, who our coach
>has
>>>>>>>>worked hard with every day. These kids worke
>>just
>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>hard as everyone else and the results they have
>>>>>>>>produced are very important to our team. We have
>>a
>>>>>>kid
>>>>>>>>who ran over 10 minutes in high school, he came
>>>>here
>>>>>>>>his freshmen year worked hard and two years
>later
>>>>>ran
>>>>>>>>14:40's another kid ran 8:29 3000m his freshmen
>>>>>>indoor
>>>>>>>>year and only ran 9:50's 2 mile in high school.
>>>>>>>>The 9 minute kids at home can do this and should
>>>be
>>>>>>>>doing this, if the coach is paying as much
>>>>>attention
>>>>>>>>to them as he is his faster kids. It's all about
>>>>>>>>progression in this sport and some kids take a
>>>>>little
>>>>>>>>longer to catch up.
>>>>>>>>Think what a 6th or 7th man at 14:40's for 5000m
>>>>>>could
>>>>>>>>do at the CAIU level
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