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Date Posted: 19:39:38 03/14/01 Wed
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Walk ON
's message, "Re: importance of the 9:00 3km high school runner" on 17:56:50 03/14/01 Wed
Good one...i'm glad to see your able to carry on a dialogue without insulting people. I'm sure everyones curious as to how these people approach the sport. If your so superior help them out with your insight.
You are a dork...capable with 4 hard years of work
>yes. The way most of the names you put on this list
>approach the sport, NO WAY !!!
>
>
>
>>I said CAPABLE of finishing top 6o. I believe you
>>forgot to include Mccomb AND Mazzotta to the list( i
>>could be wrong). And these 2 runner have not broken
>>14 or 30.
>>
>>UBC-miline,wood
>>alberta-norminton
>>sask-epp
>>manitoba-booth,thrift
>>windsor-hahn,mackensie
>>guelph-bendo,murphy,colaset
>>sherbrook-bourque
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>>Every Canadian school does not have a kid that can
>>>finish in the top 60 in the D1 meet. This is a
>>>statement that might make us feel better about
>>>ourselves but it is not true. This year only, Murry
>>>Link, Steve Bohan, Ryan Hayden and maybe Marc
>>>Striowski actually got this done. There best times on
>>>the track last year were: Link 13.50
>>> Bohan 29.04
>>> Hayden 3.42
>>> Marc 29.54
>>>There is not even 15 athletes in All of Canada that
>>>hit these times last year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is obvious that some coaches do a much better job
>>>>of recruiting. But with out scholarships to offer
>it
>>>>is difficult to recruit out of province.
>>>>
>>>>I really don't believe coaches are all that
>different
>>>>in motivating their athletes to reach their
>>potential.
>>>> Virtually every canadian university has a distance
>>>>runner that is capable of place top 60 at d1 xc cc.
>>>>And most of these guys were only 8:50 types in hs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why would an athlete compete under a coach that did
>>>>not meet their needs??? As a result many athletes
>>>>have the option of choosing which coach best meets
>>>>their needs(as far as i know many universities allow
>>>>atheletes to continue training under their club
>>>coach).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Give me a break. A coach can only go as far as
>>>>>>providing a program for their athletes. The rest
>>is
>>>>>>up to the runner. It is ridiculous comparing the
>>>>ciau
>>>>>>and ncaa. For the most part the mentality of a
>>>10:00
>>>>>>2 miler competing for a canadian as opposed to an
>>>>>>american team are very different. For example at
>>>the
>>>>>>ci level this athlete would be a counter in xc.
>At
>>>>>>ncaa this athlete would not even race, and would
>>>>>>ultimately be under great preassure to improve. I
>>>>>>also suspect a 10:00 2 miler at the ncaa level
>>would
>>>>>>have a greater desire to comitt himself to
>>>improving,
>>>>>>as opposed to a ciau runner who is an average
>>runner
>>>>>>on the team(far less preasasure). my 2 cents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A coach can only go as far as providing a program
>>>for
>>>>>his athlete? I believe there is alot more to being
>>a
>>>>>(good)coach than just writing a program and
>>expecting
>>>>>the athlete to improve. The coach has to show
>>>interest
>>>>>in his athlete, talk to him privatly about goals,
>>how
>>>>>the body is adapting to the training and make
>>>>>appropriate adjustments. The coach has the ability
>>to
>>>>>inspire his athletes to reach for bigger and better
>>>>>things to want to improve and not to be satisfied
>as
>>>a
>>>>>15:00 minute 5k runner.
>>>>> I ask why is it that the coaches at home who are
>>>>>completly involved with their athletes and have
>>taken
>>>>>the approch that their kids can do what ever their
>>>>>peers are doing in the US, are the coaches with teh
>>>>>most sucess right now? These coaches have their
>>>>>athletes beleiving they can run competitive times,
>>>>>believing that it is not fine just to be average.
>>>>>The coach has to take some of accountabilty for
>what
>>>>>his athletes are achieving or not achieving.
>>>>> A 9 minute kid at home who has a coach who is
>truly
>>>>>commited to developing his athlete has many of the
>>>>>same advantages a 10 minute 2 miler from the US
>has,
>>>>>there is a drastic improvement curve for such a
>>>runner
>>>>>in the proper enviornment be it Canada or the US.
>>>>>Unless you think the american kid is more talented
>>>>>than the canadian kid and I definalty don't think
>>so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>you are completly right! 9 minute 3k kids might
>not
>>>>>>>seem like anything special when compared to the
>>>8:30
>>>>>>>kids but they sure can develop into something.
>>>>>>>Cutting these kids instead of working their asses
>>>>off
>>>>>>>is definalty the wrong approach. I've seen these
>>>>kids
>>>>>>>do some impressive things. Here at WVU we've had
>a
>>>>>lot
>>>>>>>of walk on kids at around the 10 minute 2 mile
>>>(over
>>>>>>>9:00 3000m) out of high school, who our coach has
>>>>>>>worked hard with every day. These kids worke
>just
>>>>as
>>>>>>>hard as everyone else and the results they have
>>>>>>>produced are very important to our team. We have
>a
>>>>>kid
>>>>>>>who ran over 10 minutes in high school, he came
>>>here
>>>>>>>his freshmen year worked hard and two years later
>>>>ran
>>>>>>>14:40's another kid ran 8:29 3000m his freshmen
>>>>>indoor
>>>>>>>year and only ran 9:50's 2 mile in high school.
>>>>>>>The 9 minute kids at home can do this and should
>>be
>>>>>>>doing this, if the coach is paying as much
>>>>attention
>>>>>>>to them as he is his faster kids. It's all about
>>>>>>>progression in this sport and some kids take a
>>>>little
>>>>>>>longer to catch up.
>>>>>>>Think what a 6th or 7th man at 14:40's for 5000m
>>>>>could
>>>>>>>do at the CAIU level
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