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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 05, 06:22:54am CST
Author: Perry
Author Host/IP: cache-dtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com / 205.188.116.67
Subject: Re: Rimbey's Hawk
In reply to: Jerry 's message, "Re: Rimbey's Hawk" on Sat, Mar 04, 08:09:30pm CST

>>>>>>>>>Anyone ever hunt with him??
>>>>>>>>Perry, never had a chance to hunt with him but
>>>have
>>>>>>>>hunted with some of his offspring namely Spud. I
>>>>>>>>thought he was a real nice dog with a good
>mouth.
>>>>>>>>Hunted with his Dad(Cliff, when Jim Knight owned
>>>>>>>>him)and he had a outstanding mouth. Cliff's
>>>brother
>>>>>>>>Ole Lep also was a outstanding dog. I know you
>>>have
>>>>>>>>some interest in Hawk and his offspring and have
>>>>you
>>>>>>>>ever checking into Oquburn Taylor's dog called
>>>>Sonny
>>>>>>>>James?? He has a double shot of Hawk 2nd and 3rd
>>>>>>>>generation back on the Sire's side. Might be
>>worth
>>>>>>>>looking into. Don't know of anything that close
>>up
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>Hawk anywhere else.....thanks...........sparkie
>>>>>>>Yes Gary I see that now. It comes from Rigg's
>>Daisy
>>>>>>>and Jewel. I have hunted with Sonny several
>times.
>>>>He
>>>>>>>can tree a coon. I have raised about as much of
>>>that
>>>>>>>stuff as I can find up close. I bred my
>>>>>>>Pepper(SpudsxFreebee) to Blackie. Black was by
>>>>>>>(HawkxLocust Creek Wendy). I also bred her to
>>Rufus
>>>>>by
>>>>>>>Blackie x Cox's Nellie. They were extra nice
>dogs.
>>>I
>>>>>>>have also bred Pepper to My Jet dog by
>>>>>>>BlackiexBatGirl.
>>>>>>>I brought Spuds here for a while but could not
>get
>>>a
>>>>>>>female bred to him. He was real old then. We even
>>>>>>>tried to get enough semen to A.I. a female but
>the
>>>>>>>quality was not there. Last summer I found a male
>>>>>from
>>>>>>>SpudsxFrebee.A younger litter same as my Pepper.
>I
>>>>>>>brought him back to Ohio and bred 1 female. She
>>did
>>>>>>>not whelp. His semen was good for an 11+ year old
>>>>>dog.
>>>>>>>I guess it was not meant to be. I was excited
>>about
>>>>>>>that prospect. That male was named "Roy" and he
>>was
>>>>>>>located in Jerseyville Illinois. He was just
>>hunted
>>>>>>>and had never thrown a pup. Kind of a shame. The
>>>>>Spuds
>>>>>>>x Freebee cross was made 3 times and put some
>coon
>>>>>>>dogs on the ground. I have been very fortunae to
>>>>have
>>>>>>>the help of a lot of good leopard men in this
>>>>>project.
>>>>>>>Bob Walters who I can never thank enough. Dave
>>>>>>>Bray,Bruce Smart, Tom Boysel, Rex Laker and Dan
>>>>Noble
>>>>>>>to name a few. With the efforts of fellas likes
>>>>these
>>>>>>>assisting you it s-u-r-e helps. I am always
>>>>>>>interested in hearing about any leopard that is
>>>>>really
>>>>>>>shining whether in the woods or breeding pen. The
>>>>>Hawk
>>>>>>>decendants, I just kinda take a special look.
>>>>Anymore
>>>>>>>out there??
>>>>>>Perry, came across some papers that showed a dog
>>>>>>called River City Billy Jack owned by Daniel and
>>>>>>Nathan Buelow. Billy Jack was a litter mate to
>>Daisy
>>>>>>and Jewel. He came to Clinton in 1984 with some
>>pups
>>>>>>out of him and a female called River City Cry
>Baby,
>>>>>>which was a litter mate to Clarks Wild Bill and
>>>>>>Knights Big Bushy. He lined bred to get these pups
>>>>>>using Okaw Valley Rocket, Hawk and Tom Tom. I
>>>visited
>>>>>>with him and he was real high on his Billy Jack
>>dog.
>>>>>>Don't know if you or anyone else have heard of him
>>>>but
>>>>>>there might be some offspring floating around
>>there.
>>>>>>Seems like he may have been from Michigan or one
>of
>>>>>>those northern states. Let me know as I may be
>>>>>>interested.....thanks...sparkie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Talked to him a good while back.
>>>>>He lived in the Quad cities area.
>>>>>Moline,Rock Island!!!!
>>>>>I think in illinois.
>>>>>Only hit that came back, was in Barrington, near
>>>>>Chicago, on Google.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jerry
>>>>River City Crybaby was owned by Danny Williams in
>KY.
>>>>for a while. I am not so sure that Re Martin did not
>>>>end up with her for a while?? She was 9 in the 90-91
>>>>Leopard tree dog yearbook. Billy Jack rings a bell
>>but
>>>>ain't figured it out yet? Sure appreciate the help
>>>>fellas. Perry
>>>
>>>
>>>He had an auction or real estate co. or both.
>>>He is the one that named the dogs.
>>>Maybe river city auction???
>>>Too long ago!!!!!!
>>>
>>>Yes Danny Williams had her, now that you mention it.
>>>Dave Bray, Cox, Riggs, one of them know!!!
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>Did you guys try to get to Hawk only thru Spuds or is
>>there any other littermates and offspring to Spuds??
>>In the past I have concentrated only on one dog and
>>the littermates may carry better genetics. Don't know
>>much of the history of Hawk, as to different owners,
>>hunting style, and class of females bred to him. I've
>>heard bits and pieces over the years and seems like he
>>was bred to many different females...Just
>>a'thinkin.....sparkie
>
>
>According to the puter and the out of date database.
>These are the direct decendants of Hawk that are
>listed.
>
>Knights Daisey
>Plum Creek Buck
>Plum Creek Old Gal
>Riggs Daisy
>Rimbys Bob
>Rimbys Jewell
>Rons Can Do Barney
>Sally Ann
>She's So Sweet Lizzie
>Spud
>Waters Black Prancer
>Powder Creek Rock
>
>There are probably more. These are just the ones I
>have.
>Direct.
>
>Jerry
I have a female here that I call Daisy. She is coming 6.She is off Pepper Shaker and Water's Blk. Prancer. That puts Hawk in 2x in 3 generations. I bred Pepper Shaker to Plum Creek Rufus. Rufus was Blk. Prancer x Cox's Nellie. A female from this cross. Annie Oakley was bred to E-beau. 1/2 brother to 1/2 sister through Pepper Shaker. Archie Rardon has Tar from that cross. A female called Pepper Ann is in Michigan. 1 pup died and I have lost track of the last. She raised 4. I have a coming 3 year old female I raised and sent to Dave Bray. Fern she is called. She is by Jet and Pepper Shaker. Jet was a grand pup of Hawk on Blk Prancer Jet's dad's side. Pepper was a grand pup of Hawk. Dave Bray bred fern to his Buck dog and those pups are here now with Fern and are just past 6 weeks old. Buck is by Bray's Smoke. He goes back to Hawk twice thru Rimbey's Bob and She So Sweet Lizze. This was a 1/2 broter to a 1/2 sister cross.Buck's mammy was Water's Sugar a full sister to my Pepper Shaker.
If I researched this right the Fern x Buck pups carry Hawk 5 times in 5 generations. I believe at this time it would be tough to get much more any closer than this. A lot of my dogs go back to Spuds and Blackie. Bob Waters was kind enough to let me have Blackie at 11 and I was fortunate to raise 3 litters from him. Blackie was a coon dog. He could run a cold track better than the coldest nosed hounds I ever hunted with. He did not bobble or loose a track he opened on. He was an all night tree dog. He was not a flashy blow the top out kind of tree dog. He was straight. He was not a layup dog. He was a pleasure around the house and a big baby with children or the wife. Drop the tail gate and he was all business. Thanks Perry

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