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Date Posted: Tue, Jul 03, 01:24:49pm CST
Author: Perry
Author Host/IP: cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com / 205.188.117.13
Subject: Re: Hall of Fame Question
In reply to: Dan McD. 's message, "Re: Hall of Fame Question" on Tue, Jul 03, 10:55:36am CST

>>>>>>>Oh no, here we go again! Maybe there should be a
>>>>>>>sticky note at the top of the main forum page
>>>>stating
>>>>>>>that if you do not hold an official position with
>>>>the
>>>>>>>ALCBA Inc. or do not have anything positive to
>say
>>>>>>>about said association, please do not post
>>>>>>>here.(sarcasm)
>>>>>>> I believe that good and positive results can
>>come
>>>>>>>from constructive critisism and negative
>>statements
>>>>>>>and a person doesn't neccessarily have to have
>all
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>answers.
>>>>>>> I may not know how to fix my computer, but if I
>>>>>>>don't acknowledge that something is wrong AND
>tell
>>>>>>>someone who may have the skills to fix it, the
>>>>status
>>>>>>>quo result will be that I never get the darn
>thing
>>>>>>>repaired!
>>>>>>> Perry, you did a good job of clearing up a few
>>>>>>>questions I had regarding David's post but I
>think
>>>>he
>>>>>>>made an excellent point about the way voting was
>>>>>>>handled when he was present at that meeting some
>>>>time
>>>>>>>back.
>>>>>>> Is the voting still handled that way and what
>>>>would
>>>>>>>be the problem with a secret ballot to keep peer
>>>>>>>pressure to a minimum? I sure don't have all (or
>>>>any)
>>>>>>>of the answers but I enjoy the discussion. ;o)
>>>>>>Any member is free to nominate any dog. As for
>>>secret
>>>>>>ballott. I have no problem with that. We need
>>>workers
>>>>>>to get this done. Personally I think a seperate
>>>>person
>>>>>>should be set up to oversee the process. Do I have
>>>a
>>>>>>volunteer to write up a process and get it
>>>presented?
>>>>>>Jason you seem like a reasonable and genuine
>>>>concerned
>>>>>>leopard fancier. Why not get a propasal drafted
>and
>>>>we
>>>>>>can get some of the officer and BOD to give it a
>>>look
>>>>>>see and get some opinions. Maybe we could get this
>>>>>>ready for the hunt this year and use the process
>in
>>>>>>the future. It may take a few test runs to get it
>>>>>>tweeked?? My e-mail is attached. I don't mean to
>>put
>>>>>>you on the spot but we need workers. I hope to
>hear
>>>>>>from you. My phone # is in the year book. ANY
>>member
>>>>>>is welcome to call me. Thanks Perry
>>>>>
>>>>>>Perry,I'll help however I can.I'm leaving for
>>Myrtle
>>>>>Beach in the morning when I get back I'll get in
>>>touch
>>>>>with you.Jason
>>>>
>>>>Perry, I think you came down on David a little
>hard.
>>>>David would like to see this organization take off
>>and
>>>>be the best it can be as much as anyone. There are
>>>>many, many things that can be improved upon in any
>>>>organization and this one is no different. David is
>>a
>>>>very clear thinker and even if you don't like what
>he
>>>>says sometimes I will forever stand behind the fact
>>>>that he is certainly worth hearing and the things
>>that
>>>>he says are definatley worth concideration. I do
>>>>understand that if any one out there gets to catch
>>the
>>>>crap more often than he should, it would be
>you...but
>>>>you are the president and that does go with the
>>>>territory.
>>>>
>>>>As for the statemtment itself, I think that the
>short
>>>>version would go something like this. Respect
>equals
>>>>success. Any time we can field some good old
>>fasioned
>>>>critisism and make something good out of it, that's
>>>>just what we should do. That does however mean that
>>>>the status quo needs to be shifted from time to
>time.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Certainly a list of requirements would be a good
>>thing
>>>>when it comes to HOF nominations but generalizing
>>>>those requirements would be neccisary and would
>leave
>>>>the judgments open to subjective scrutiny as it
>>should
>>>>be. I think it is a good idea. A vote could be
>>>>attached to an anual or bi-anual news letter. That
>>>>would be relatively simple...just an idea. ALso, if
>>a
>>>>newsletter does not ever surface, it could be added
>>to
>>>>the yearbook and voted on for the previous year.
>Any
>>>>one alse have any more ideas? I have one more,
>there
>>>>could be categories. I don't know how that would
>>work
>>>>but it may be a concideration for an awards
>program.
>>>>The Plott associations seem to have gotten most of
>>the
>>>>kinks worked out with this type of thing. Is there
>>>>anyone here that also belings to one of the Plott
>>>>assoc.'s that could offer some advice?
>>>
>>>Dan. I did not think Perry came down too hard.
>>>I started to write, more than once.
>>>It would not have been polite at all.
>>>
>>>I am insulted by the whole smear. I was there.
>>>I met David when he got out of the truck.
>>>We had several conversations that weekend.
>>>
>>>David had made a marathon trip from Minn. to N.
>>>Carolina, to Indiana. He was white as a sheet. Lack
>>>of sleep. We talked several times at the hunt.
>>>Enjoyed visiting with him.
>>>
>>>Where all this garbage comes from, I cannot guess.
>>>
>>>The nominating dogs started a good while ago. To
>>>honor the people who owned the dogs, more than the
>>>dogs. People hunted several good dogs in many states
>>>and promoted the breed. NO!!!! They did not win
>>>anything in competition.
>>>They won many new members. Many new friends.
>>>
>>>Backyard Champions. That is the term someone
>started.
>>>It has worked well, till right now.
>>>
>>>Yes good dogs are a nice thing. I will take a GOOD
>>>FRIEND, over a good dog any day.
>>>
>>>I got in this breed because of the dogs. I stayed in
>>>it because of the people.
>>>
>>>We had a fellow write a column for a couple of years.
>>>Toughest man I ever met in my life. Polio. Hunted
>>>with crutches. If one of his dogs had died while he
>>>was in the Club, I would have nominated it for the
>>>hall of fame, out of respect for him. If someone had
>>>bad mouthed his dog in front of that man. An
>>>asswhipping would have happened. No and, if, or butts
>>.
>>>
>>>What we have is far from perfect.
>>>Maybe it needs major modification?
>>>Volunteer.
>>>
>>>jerry
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>
>>Jerry,
>> I am not trying to be disrespectful, but unless
>>that gentelman is the one breeding females and passing
>>on his genes you are hurting the entire breed by
>>electing a dog based on the fact the owner is one heck
>>of a good guy. That has to be one of the worst
>>reasons I've read for nominating a dog. We have to
>>put the betterment of the breed ahead of friendships.
>>We could have the nicest, hardest working guy in the
>>club, but if his dogs don't make the breed better or
>>exemplify the breed standards, no way he gets
>>noiminated for the HOF or anything else for that
>>matter, ass whopping not with standing. Fred
>
>I believe that this is the perfect place to stop and
>think about awards categorites. A dog does not belong
>in the hall of fame based on it's owners value as a
>human. I do agree with Jerry about giving recognition
>to folks who set themselves apart in some way and also
>the importance of people over dogs. This is however,
>a breed assoc. and by definition is centered around
>dogs first. Giving recognition to the man afflicted
>with polio is something that would be more
>appropiately answered with a sportsmanship award or
>something of the like. If the assoc. incorporates
>only one other award at the world hunt...this should
>be it. I do however think there should be a breeders
>award and/or a lifetime achievement award for which I
>would like to nominate Ron Ganus for, right now. Yes,
>that goes for both categories.
Dan, A worthy idea. Can we count on you to have a draft of the criteria we would use to consider an award like this?? This is a starting point. Maybe the draft could be presented to the BOD for some input prior to the World hunt? Can you get the ball rolling for us? Thanks, Perry

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