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Date Posted: 12:30:43 03/28/05 Mon
Author: J.J.
Subject: Re: Why is CCSU not trying to build an on campus arena as well?
In reply to: ktuck911 's message, "Why is CCSU not trying to build an on campus arena as well?" on 11:51:41 03/28/05 Mon

Back to reality! CCSU has plans to build a 6-8K on campus multi-purpose fieldhouse to host basketball games. Funding and institutional support are the major problems at this time and the timetable for development could be more than 5-10 year away. We all agree that the school needs it as much as the basketball programs do.

As much as many of us would like to see Central increase its exposure and conference affiliation, some of your comments are a little, well I'll just be nice and say "wishfull thinking." CCSU will NEVER rival UConn in anything - academics or athletics. The state won't let that happen - their eggs are in one basket in Storrs (and rightfully so). The A-10 won't be anything it was in the past, so don't get too caught up in that. We should try to hitch our boat to other medium size New England/New York public schools such as Maine, New Hampshire, URI, Albany, Stony Brook, etc. The model is to be more like Southern Illinois or Western Kentucky. Those are larger schools that can compete as "high mid-majors," in basketball and football but are still distant thoughts in their respective states behind the likes of Illinois, Kentucky, and Louiville. Despite their success they still get very little respect and rare national exposure. IMO that is the realistic goal - to build a strong regional, second-tier program. It doesn't sound sexy or exciting, but the reality is the major (or BCS) conferences run the NCAA, and you just have to make the most of the profile you have. To date, CCSU has done that with the little resources it has been given.

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[> [> Re: Why is CCSU not trying to build an on campus arena as well? -- SuperSenior, 22:53:36 03/29/05 Tue

What do you mean "rightfully so" that CCSU plays second fiddle to UConn? Tuition is rising every semester and is almost the same as Uconn's. For your information, the education department at CCSU is much better than Uconn's. If you think that a state university such as CCSU (with a similar tuition to UConn and a fairly large amount of students) doesn't deserve a greater chunk of state funding than it currently gets then your a moron. Uconn's football stadium is a joke. They will never be anything than a borderline ranked team (best case scenario). The state carried the burden to build that stadium and bent over backwards to accommidate Uconn. It's a disgrace. CCSU plays in a rundown gym and certainly deserves a completely new on-campus facility (fairly large). It's a disgrace that Uconn plays in a great facility while we play in a gym that is probobly in a worse state than their practice facility. It's a disgrace that a team (UConn basketball team) with very little or no standards of decency gets that much public funding. Need I recite the history of UConn basketball?? Calhoun exposed for donating a ridiculous amount of money to a AAU team that his recruit came from this year, Ben Gordon slapping around a girl, Rashad Anderson running around scaring people with knives, Kellogg getting getting booted for drugs and questionable academics, Selvie was busted for DUI then skipped bail and attacked a woman, Uconn assistant coach arrested for picking up a hooker, Donyell Marshall didn't have the grades to get into U of Maryland (not exactly Yale) but miraculously had no problem going to UConn, Butler was a juvenile delinquent, El-amin busted on drug charges, Cliff Robinson gets suspended every year for drugs, NEED I GO ON???
Meanwhile, Howie kicks off Damien Battles (one of his best players) to send a messege to his team. CALHOUN WOULD HAVE NEVER OF DONE THAT BECAUSE WINNING IS EVERYTHING TO THEM. CCSU basketball players have a great reputation. It's a disgrace and so is your idiotic comment.
P.S. The A-10 is a very good conference. Saint Josephs and Xavier were extremely good teams last year. I also believe Richmond was ranked at one point last season and so was Dayton. George Washington, Rhode Island,Temple are also always pretty good teams.


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[> [> [> CCSU vs. UConn -- J.J., 10:30:44 03/30/05 Wed

Super Senior - First, I'm glad to see that you have such high respect for Central, so I am not offended by your comments. I think very highly of this institution too (because I'm an alumnus), but I just think sometimes you need to look all factors, not just basketball.

Academics - CCSU is a great school, one I am very proud to have graduated from. However, the classification and mission of our school is vastly different from UConn. CCSU is a comprehensive state university built on its strong history as a "teachers college." Its primary missions are to educate professionals (teachers, nurses, accountants, etc.) for service in the state economy, and to prepare others for post-graduate education.

UConn is a land-grant, research-based institution built upon its agricultural and research roots. UConn's mission is to educate students (like CCSU), but additionally it is to grant advance degrees (doctorates) and promote research in agriculture, the sciences and other fields. UConn is established in state statutes as the only institution for these purposes. That is why UConn has a medical and law school. Central could not establish those types of programs even if someone were to personally donate $100 million to begin a law school - state law would not allow it. That is why it was such a big deal to have the state legislature ALLOW Central and Southern to issue a doctorate degree in education just 2 years ago.

Athletics - No argument here. CCSU runs a clean and proud program because of the great people (student, coaches, administrators), but also because we are small. I am very proud of the style and accomplishments off all the CCSU teams. I too think Howie runs one of the best programs in the entire country! Not becasue of our record or NCAA appearances, but becasue of the type of student-athletes he recruits and our "team personality." But the major difference is that at CCSU the university supports athletics, and at UConn athletics supports the university. UConn faces the challenges of running a multi-million dollar athletic BUSINESS, and yes, sometimes they break some of the rules. Yes, I am mad that the state would buy UConn a $92 football stadium (and yet doesn't do crap for CCSU), but their was stadium support for "other" reasons.

Budget and Politics - As you know, UConn is almost 2x as large as CCSU so comparing the 2 is that much more difficult. However, the CSU system (CCSU, ECSU, SCSU, and WCSU) is larger than the UConn system, yet the entire CSU budget dwarfs the UConn budget. Here is where I have no answer except to say because the missions are different maybe it costs more to run a research university than a teaching one (personally, I don't buy that). The other reason is really because UConn has the law school and tons of alumni and Husky fans throughout the state and in the legislature, they get soo much more additional political and budget support. National Championships and Big East sports don't hurt either :) Honestly, that the part that really sucks - its all about politics and clout, and CSU has very little when compared to UConn.

In the end, I don't disagree with you that all CSU students get the shaft from state. CSU tuition is on par with UConn, but they get much less resources and facilities from state government (there is more than enough info to support that argument). I've been saying that for years, but the only way to change that is to make this information well known to all students, faculty, and alumni and then TAKE YOUR CONCERNS TO YOUR LEGISLATOR AND THE STATEHOUSE! CCSU's problems aren't in New Britain, they're in Hartford. So I don't think we disagree about the challenges Central faces, its just that I have an understanding of why they exist, but I don¡¦t see any changes in the near future without a grassroots effort to face them.


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