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Subject: Re: Salmon


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King Davy
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Date Posted: 10:11:24 02/14/02 Thu
In reply to: Undertaker 's message, "Re: Salmon" on 09:21:35 02/14/02 Thu
 >>I'm with the Undertaker. I have fished the Salmon
>>River and local tribs since the early 80's. I now fish
>>mostly for steelhead. Our attention has swithced to
>>the western area of Ontario, Penna. and Ohio tribs.
>>The fishing is absolutely fantastic and the ethics and
>>streamside manner of most fisherman is great. We have
>>a group of regulars who fish together, { including 3
>>N.Y. liscensed guides} and we have often discused why
>>the salmon river won't turn its attention towards the
>>Steehead program and extend the fishing
>>opportunity!!!! Undertaker is right, we would have a
>>much longer fishing season for steelhead than those
>>Pacific salmon
>
>Jim, thanks for joining me on my opinions and I'm sure
>there is a majority of other fishermen out there who
>also agree. I'm not looking for a battle, I just want
>to correct the fishery and make it better. We would
>all like the Salmon River to be a great place to fish.
>Me, because I only live 20 miles from it and really
>enjoy the fish that are there. It sickens me to see
>what has happened to it over the years, so I can no
>longer sit back and do nothing. So, I have opened my
>big mouth and I won't shut it until I see the issues
>addressed and taken care of by the DEC.




I'll post up here Undertaker...since the other posts have gotten to long. You mis-understood my numbers. I said (or ment to say) 95% of the fish SAMPLED have been pen raised fish. The Non fin clipped fish may have nose tags in them. We are out of fin clips on steelhead between us and the Canadian's to be able to tell where a fish comes from and what year they were planted. The pen fish of the Oswego are the only pen fish clipped...but I'm not sure which fin...I haven't worked on that program.

But all the other pen programs have wire nose tagged steelhead...so you have to kill some fish to get the data. Not as desirable as one would like, but if we don't get some data the program goes away...so you'll see those of us working for DEC in this program as data collectors having to kill some fish.

Call it what you want but the creel Census guys collected a lot of Salmon river planted kings in the Niagara. Warm...water...low water...what ever...your salmon didn't come home. The boat fisherman had the same experience. We had a good run in the Genny...and a decent run in the Oak...so we didn't see many problems...and we had a GREAT run of kings in Sandy Creek...where we have planted pen raised kings since 99. Our run was higher then expected because we have a lot of jacks and two year olds maturing faster out there right now...and only staying a couple years in open water as opposed to 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 years.

Anyway...nothing more to say on your lobby effort. Go for it. One thing you have to understand...I've been going through this since the 70's with the DEC. They no longer DECIDE. They open it up to the public. If you get a delegation together that wants king salmon out of the program...(and you have to understand that salmon river means out of Lake Ontario entirely)...because no other facility has the infrastructure to raise and then capture eggs and sperm. Then you bring it to the DEC. They open it up to the public...meaning any fishermen in lake Ontario who has a feeling for this subject....and it will be delt with in that manner.

You'll take your pitch to this forum...and make it. Those groups that oppose will counter (Lake Fishermen, River fishermen, Businesses that depend on king salmon etc)....Then there will be financial business, and environmental impact studies that will have to proceed any decisions. A majority vote is needed to move the program to the State level. Long process...but a pretty fair one. You are looking at three to five years to get it though all the channels ...but if the majority of the fishermen who fish LO and the rivers ...are truly your majority...then you should be successful.
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