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Undertaker
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Date Posted: 13:52:22 02/14/02 Thu
In reply to:
King Davy
's message, "Re: Salmon" on 10:11:24 02/14/02 Thu
>>>I'm with the Undertaker. I have fished the Salmon
>>>River and local tribs since the early 80's. I now
>fish
>>>mostly for steelhead. Our attention has swithced to
>>>the western area of Ontario, Penna. and Ohio tribs.
>>>The fishing is absolutely fantastic and the ethics
>and
>>>streamside manner of most fisherman is great. We have
>>>a group of regulars who fish together, { including 3
>>>N.Y. liscensed guides} and we have often discused why
>>>the salmon river won't turn its attention towards the
>>>Steehead program and extend the fishing
>>>opportunity!!!! Undertaker is right, we would have a
>>>much longer fishing season for steelhead than those
>>>Pacific salmon
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>>Jim, thanks for joining me on my opinions and I'm sure
>>there is a majority of other fishermen out there who
>>also agree. I'm not looking for a battle, I just want
>>to correct the fishery and make it better. We would
>>all like the Salmon River to be a great place to fish.
>>Me, because I only live 20 miles from it and really
>>enjoy the fish that are there. It sickens me to see
>>what has happened to it over the years, so I can no
>>longer sit back and do nothing. So, I have opened my
>>big mouth and I won't shut it until I see the issues
>>addressed and taken care of by the DEC.
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>I'll post up here Undertaker...since the other posts
>have gotten to long. You mis-understood my numbers. I
>said (or ment to say) 95% of the fish SAMPLED have
>been pen raised fish. The Non fin clipped fish may
>have nose tags in them. We are out of fin clips on
>steelhead between us and the Canadian's to be able to
>tell where a fish comes from and what year they were
>planted. The pen fish of the Oswego are the only pen
>fish clipped...but I'm not sure which fin...I haven't
>worked on that program.
>
>But all the other pen programs have wire nose tagged
>steelhead...so you have to kill some fish to get the
>data. Not as desirable as one would like, but if we
>don't get some data the program goes away...so you'll
>see those of us working for DEC in this program as
>data collectors having to kill some fish.
>
>Call it what you want but the creel Census guys
>collected a lot of Salmon river planted kings in the
>Niagara. Warm...water...low water...what ever...your
>salmon didn't come home. The boat fisherman had the
>same experience. We had a good run in the Genny...and
>a decent run in the Oak...so we didn't see many
>problems...and we had a GREAT run of kings in Sandy
>Creek...where we have planted pen raised kings since
>99. Our run was higher then expected because we have a
>lot of jacks and two year olds maturing faster out
>there right now...and only staying a couple years in
>open water as opposed to 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 years.
>
>Anyway...nothing more to say on your lobby effort. Go
>for it. One thing you have to understand...I've been
>going through this since the 70's with the DEC. They
>no longer DECIDE. They open it up to the public. If
>you get a delegation together that wants king salmon
>out of the program...(and you have to understand that
>salmon river means out of Lake Ontario
>entirely)...because no other facility has the
>infrastructure to raise and then capture eggs and
>sperm. Then you bring it to the DEC. They open it up
>to the public...meaning any fishermen in lake Ontario
>who has a feeling for this subject....and it will be
>delt with in that manner.
>
>You'll take your pitch to this forum...and make it.
>Those groups that oppose will counter (Lake Fishermen,
>River fishermen, Businesses that depend on king salmon
>etc)....Then there will be financial business, and
>environmental impact studies that will have to proceed
>any decisions. A majority vote is needed to move the
>program to the State level. Long process...but a
>pretty fair one. You are looking at three to five
>years to get it though all the channels ...but if the
>majority of the fishermen who fish LO and the rivers
>...are truly your majority...then you should be
>successful.
I know all about the nose tags and I am not sure who decided to go that way, but I won't kill fish to get data, sorry. I was asked last year by several guides in Oswego to kill my steelhead and turn them over for the study and was totally repulsed by the whole incident. How can you folks kill these steelhead when you know there's a shortage of fish to begin with. Can you guys please use some other means of collecting data for the program. We would all like to help you gather data for the various programs, but a lot of us are not going to kill the fish. Come up with something other then turning in fish heads and we'll get you loads of data.
How many signatures do you think it will take to get our point across? How many members do you have in your organization?
It's a tough business setting out to try and remove a species from an area and I don't like it anymore than you do, but it is just to frustrating to watch what goes on year after year with no improvement. It's like having drug dealers move into your neighborhood and no one wants to do anything about it. We just look the otherway while things get worse.
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