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Date Posted: 07:03:58 03/04/02 Mon
In reply to:
Undertaker
's message, "Re: To King Davy" on 16:00:55 03/02/02 Sat
>>>>Sorry I haven't been back to continue our
>>>>deliberation, but I had something to take care of. I
>>>>liked your rendition of salmon fishing out on the
>>lake
>>>>and if it was like that in the river then everyone
>>>>would be happy.
>>>>
>>>>Here's how salmon fishing in the river goes......
>>>>The start of a nice day, taking a long, long walk to
>>>>get away from everyone and try to find some fish
>that
>>>>aren't all wigged out. I see two fish milling around
>>>>in the tail of a small pool and I have them all to
>>>>myself or do I? After ten minutes of working large
>>>>streamers to them I hear several guys coming up
>>behind
>>>>me. They spot the fish and without even the
>slightest
>>>>thought of consideration, are now splashing into the
>>>>river between me and the fish, making a wild attempt
>>>>to snag the fish. They pursue the fish down the
>river
>>>>splashing and falling in as they go. I can't stand
>to
>>>>watch anymore and at that moment my only thought is
>>>>that I wished I was a DEC officer on my day off!!
>>Lake
>>>>fishing to river fishing is like comparing canned
>>tuna
>>>>to prime rib. This type of nonsense goes on all the
>>>>time and this year I'm not even going to fish during
>>>>salmon season. Instead, I'm going to video tape all
>>>>the wonderful snaggers, rippers, roppers,
>>leadslingers
>>>>and highstickers. After one day out I should have
>>>>about 3 hours of tape and I'll send copies to the
>DEC
>>>>and Albany and they can see first hand how great a
>>>>fishery we have here in upstate NY. I want to thank
>>>>them from the bottom of my heart for all they have
>>>>done for the area. Why, if it weren't for them,
>>>>Pulaski would just be another sleepy little town
>with
>>>>a crappy little trout river running thru it. Look at
>>>>how much the area has improved, I can't name one
>fast
>>>>food chain that hasn't been there. And look at all
>>the
>>>>big businesses that have sprouted up overnight,
>>tackle
>>>>shops everywhere with a fish cleaning stations on
>>>>every corner! How about all the big hotels and
>motels
>>>>too. My god, Oswego county must be the richest in
>the
>>>>state. Why, if it weren't for that hatchery we would
>>>>all be on welfare or are we already?
>>>>
>>>>We will never have a true fishery because real
>>>>sportsmen won't come to the area and spend top
>dollar
>>>>for a day on the fabulous Slam'em River in Snaglaski
>>>>NY. Sorry, but that's the truth and until somebody
>or
>>>>something changes, it will always be a black eye for
>>>>the state and the fishing society.
>>> You hit it exactly on the head,could not have
>>>stated it better.As the wizards continue managing and
>>>the lake fishery dwindles to hell,I for one am
>watchin
>>>1 more lake season and then bagging out of here for
>>>stripers etc.After 29 years of great fishing and the
>>>final flameout into a total snaggery ,its time to get
>>>fishing once again.Hope all u trib. hunters manage to
>>>lift out the final remnants of dark sluggish-fighting
>>>steelies, fill your wallets,take client
>pics,advertise
>>>at the shows,fill motels n restuarants u so-called
>>>river guides and there are genuine ones too..Once the
>>>steelies are depleted the DEP experts will again dump
>>>a batch of fingerlings off the salmon river and feed
>>>the cormorants.It's a sad sad shame what has happened
>>>up there, the people are so great and area so
>pristine
>>>to people who enjoy the great outdoors.Am hopin
>things
>>>turn around however I have my doubts.Will have house
>>>,boat,50 acres on Tug hill for sale soon.Other states
>>>are wakening up to the fact of what used too be in
>>>Pulaski and are addressing the fishermen revenue draw
>>>out of state by revising their stocking
>programs.Sorry
>>>but King Davy inspired me to write whats on my mind
>>>too.He is soooo correct!!!!!!you guys are seriously
>>out of control this is all about fishing.remember when
>>we learned how to fish as kids...it was fun. lets all
>>just enjoy fishing.so a few fish get snagged .. so
>>what they get returned most of the time to swim on.
>>lighten up the state gets a few bucks the guides get
>>money and the area gets tourist bucks.no salmon no
>>money plain and simple. live and let live.
>
>Bruce, what end of the earth do you live on? Its that
>kind of talk that really screws things up for the
>Salmon River. Snagging is not a means of fishing and
>should never be considered "ok" even if a few guys do
>it. I hate to tell you this but alot of people snag
>their fish up there and it's not pretty. Bruce you hit
>the nail right on the head, see you don't care about
>the fishery its all about the mighty dollar. Everyone
>wins because everyone gets a few greenbacks out of the
>deal. Well, I'm here to tell you that the fishery is
>in total disorder, the big payoff never came and now
>once a year the circus comes to town, the clowns run
>up and down the river, and all decent folk stay clear
>of the area for a month. What you get in the fall is
>an ugly mob of low lifes that don't care about
>people's property, the laws, or the other people
>around them. Where else can a person go away for the
>weekend, spend maybe a hundred bucks, act like a
>five-year-old and get away with it. It is crazy up
>here!!!
>
>Fines are one solution, BUT when they start handing
>too many out the store owners cry that the DEC is too
>hard on their customers and that its driving them
>away. Again, the mighty dollar takes control and the
>DEC backs off. I for one do not want these kind of
>folks on the river, so if you can't get your $1000.00
>fines then what?
>
>If your waiting for videos to state your case, then
>you will have miles of it. Several of us will be
>catching all the action this fall and I'm sure it will
>make alot of people sick when they see it.
>
>Oh, and I heard today that they are going to open up
>Orwell Brook again to fishing or should I say
>snagging. Can't wait to tape that whole mess when it
>starts up again. Hopefully, the state won't be dumb
>enough to start stocking it again so that the poachers
>can benifit from their fruits of labor.
>
>Come to a meeting maybe, but I have my own agenda. Not
>to criticize, but I've seen many a groups meet with
>the DEC and quite frankly nothing gets done or they
>appease you with little trinkets and then they
>continue with their own plan. Maybe the commissioner
>for the DEC should be an elected office instead of the
>governor appointing somebody whom knows nothing about
>fishing and hunting.
Undertaker...your frustration is real and warrented...yet you have to understand a few things. The DEC does not back off the merchants...or the small streams opening up. In fact I know the DEC is so pissed off about the new ruling about Orwell...and Trout brook that they'll be standing along side you filming. What everybody needs to get a handle on is this. POLITICIANS...your local reps to the State of NY are the one's bending over for the local businesses. NOT THE DEC. They don't have that kind of power.
I was at the public forum last spring that the DEC put on to introduce the new regs that were spawned by people like you UT...NOT the DEC. This focus group picked the regs they wanted to put up to the state...the DEC is just the vechile they use to do it. So at this meeting several POLITICIANS were there on behalf of their constituients lobbying to repeal these regs. These are the same guys who side with the money grubbing merchants that whine about the DEC doing it's job.
Mis-managed....do you people have ANY idea of how many programs that the DEC has raised to the State that would greatly help them study and test and run this fishery ...that get knocked out of the budget because there is no money. When's the last time all you guys stepped up for a license increase?????
I'm not getting through to you guys am I. The DEC is not the group you should be pointing fingers at. You should be putting the pressure on your ELECTED OFFICIALS in your towns and counties. They are the one's selling this fishery short. They are the one's who hear from the merchants and take action. If you want to get something done...start sending them letters of what a mess your area is. They need to hear from all you out of town anglers who are disgusted with this whole fall fishery. THEN...and ONLY then will you get some action. But complaining about a bunch of Biologists that have NO power to do anyhting ...your pointing your guns at the WRONG target.
UT...you get your miles and miles of Video...but you had better be showing it to your state senators...legislators...and town and state councilmen...cause showing them to the DEC will do you know good. They know it exists. Remember...the DEC only has some power to make REGULATIONS....not STATE LAWS. Thumb your nose at LOSA...that's cool...but we are starting to be heard by these people....we have the know- how...to make noise...and the dedication to do it...we could help you...help your area...if you go it alone...that's fine...lot more work for you...but I commend your spirit.
Good luck.
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