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Subject: AR and DW arm-wrestling


Author:
Rachel Spence
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Date Posted: 18:20:04 11/24/01 Sat
In reply to: Jennifer 's message, "Harry Potter" on 16:17:34 11/16/01 Fri


Hey all,

I know I haven't written but I have been reading this message board. I had to jump in since I am an Alan Rickman fan (though yes,DW still takes the proverbial cake! )

Yes, Alan Rickman has done rubbish. Witness "Close My Eyes" and "Mesmer". Rickman does "stock but subtle" extremely well. I belonged to a AR fansite but the folks were absolutely LIVID that he accepted such a blockbuster role. Go figure.

I seemed to remember AR's role of Professor Snape in "Harry Potter" originally offered to Tim Roth who chose Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes" (which had some dude named David Warner in it.)Mr. Rickman was a second choice.So those movies were filmed at the same time.

Btw, you all know I'm sure that AR and DW were both in "Rasputin".

Thanks for your time,
Rachel

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[> [> Subject: Re: AR and DW arm-wrestling


Author:
SnakePriestess
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Date Posted: 13:58:16 11/25/01 Sun

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>>>Btw, you all know I'm sure that AR and DW were both in
>"Rasputin".

In fact, the only reason I rented and watched that film.
>
Oh, and Welcome to the nuthouse. Cashew?
[> [> Subject: I have seen the movie and it was good ...


Author:
Suky
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Date Posted: 10:38:00 12/03/01 Mon

... but not great. I haven't read the book, but it felt like an endless procession of scenes from it and lacked sufficient cohesiveness or character development to make it really great. It felt more like a montage of "Harry Potter's Greatest Moments." People who've read the book tell me all the scenes are *there* ... there's just no build-up or explanation for them. All the characters and relationships are well developed in the book. (I'm looking at it as one big long teaser for the book, which, of course I have to read now!) I think the story would have been much better as a TV series (at least a mini-series).

As you might anticipate (don't want you to be too disappointed!), there is entirely too little of Alan Rickman ... and John Hurt's role is just a cameo as well. (Actually, almost all the adult parts were cameos.) And, of course, there's *definitely* too little of David Warner!! ;-) He'd have made a good Dumbledore, IMHO! (Then again, he'd have made a great anything.)

My friend who's an avid Potter fan agreed with me that it's probably a good thing (in the overall scheme of things--but not for us!) there was so little of Snape. If there'd been more, he'd have stolen the movie again like he did with Robin Hood. (In fact, we decided that Robin Hood would have been a much better movie if they'd just made AR the star and told it from Nottingham's p.o.v.! What do you say we lobby for a sequel?)

But!!! AR was, of course, excellent. He's sooo delectably creepy! And that is one sexy costume. The way he uses that cape at times, he looks just like a bat!

BTW, in case anyone's still interested, my husband confirmed for me that there *is* definitely a resemblance between DW and AR ... it's primarily the Voice!

Oh yeah, this was supposed to be a reply ...

Hi, Rachel!!!! Great to hear from you again. Looking forward to more of your thoughts!

>I know I haven't written but I have been reading this
>message board. I had to jump in since I am an Alan
>Rickman fan (though yes,DW still takes the proverbial
>cake! )

OK, is there *ANY* of us here who isn't an Alan Rickman fan?? I was thinking we ought to form an Alan Rickman "SIG" within our little "club," but can it be a SIG if it includes the whole group?? ;-)

>Yes, Alan Rickman has done rubbish. Witness "Close My
>Eyes" and "Mesmer".

I haven't witnessed either of those yet. I have Mesmer on tape though ... you mean I'm not going to like it? :-( (At least the video box makes it worth the price. ;-) )

>I belonged to a AR fansite but the
>folks were absolutely LIVID that he accepted such a
>blockbuster role. Go figure.

Huh?? They must've really hated him for doing Die Hard and Robin Hood then! At least this was in a *good* movie! (And here *we* are *wishing* blockbuster roles for DW.)

>I seemed to remember AR's role of Professor Snape in
>"Harry Potter" originally offered to Tim Roth who
>chose Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes" (which had
>some dude named David Warner in it.)Mr. Rickman was a
>second choice.So those movies were filmed at the same
>time.

At least AR was on Rowling's list. Could you imagine Tim Roth in the role? He's OK in some things I've seen him in ... but he's just a little *too* believable in those bad guy roles! (He says he enjoys playing them.) I still can't get past my first impression of him from Rob Roy! He makes DW's Jack the Ripper seem like a teddy bear. (That might be something to ponder for your treatise on why we love villains so much, Jen ... What is it that attracts us to some while there are others we just plain hate?)

>Btw, you all know I'm sure that AR and DW were both in
>"Rasputin".

Of course! But I'm still longing for a film where they have some really good scenes together. What was that film you said they were making together as an April Fool's joke, Cinephilia? I can't remember what it was now, but it was something good! See what you started? ;-)

Sorry for the long post again. It's been *days* now ... I've been saving up!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: I have seen the movie and it was good ...


Author:
HRB
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Date Posted: 18:07:05 12/03/01 Mon

Hi Suky! Wish you could find time to chat with us one of these days. We miss you.

(That might be
>something to ponder for your treatise on why we love
>villains so much, Jen ... What is it that attracts us
>to some while there are others we just plain hate?)
>


Maybe we like the villains who have a seeming vulnerability underneath the ruthlessness??
[> [> [> Subject: Good villains vs. bad villains


Author:
Suky
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Date Posted: 07:34:05 12/04/01 Tue

>Hi Suky! Wish you could find time to chat with us one of
>these days. We miss you.

Thanks! :-) The feeling is 100% mutual! I'll try if I get time. Unfortunately, you probably won't be hearing much from me for a while ... A new quarter has started at school, and I'm taking *two* courses instead of just one like I did last quarter. (I'm determined to finish this darn degree by spring!)

>Maybe we like the villains who have a seeming vulnerability
>underneath the ruthlessness??

I think you're right! We don't like *real* bad guys ... we like the ones in whom we can see just a little bit of goodness or a glimmer of conscience--or who at least exude a bit of pathos. (Or the ones who just go so far over the top that you can't believe in them anyway--like Nottingham or Snape. Even Tim Roth's Planet of the Apes character was kind of fun!) It's like the thrill of riding a rollercoaster--versus actually driving off a cliff!
[> [> Subject: Rasputin et Al (et David) ;-)


Author:
Suky
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Date Posted: 16:10:18 12/10/01 Mon

Rachel, thanks to your reminder, I just had to watch Rasputin again, and they did have one (very brief) scene together after all. In fact, it was a really good one. Now I remember why it left me wanting a whole lot more: (1) They only exchange about four lines of dialog. (2) DW barely has any lines at all in the movie. He's there pretty much throughout but spends most of it just standing around looking concerned/skeptical. Rasputin was really AR's movie. I want to see them teamed up for an entire movie! (3) The ugly beards just ruin it for me! (I hate scraggly beards and goatees! It's superficial, I admit it, but when you've got two of the best looking men on the planet in the same room together, it's a shame to obscure all that beauty! [Apologies to Melissa W.; hope you're having a good chuckle like I would be if I heard anyone make such a comment about my dad!]) Anyway, I did enjoy the exchange ... there just wasn't enough of it!

Going back to that topic I just can't seem to leave alone (sorry if I'm annoying you--if so, just say so!) ... someone posted a link on the AR message board to a great article analyzing the attraction of Snape. I think it can also be extrapolated to explain our fascination with villains in general:

http://www.flakmag.com/film/snape.html

What do you think? Is it accurate?



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