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Subject: Harry Potter Author: Jennifer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 16:17:34 11/16/01 Fri Wow, how late is it to tell people that the guy in Harry Potter everyone thinks is David Warner is actually Alan Rickman? I was reminded when yet another promo was on tv and my husband said, "Isn't that David Warner?" and I said, "No, that's the guy everyone thinks is David Warner but is actually Alan Rickman." Say that three times fast. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Tom Wilkinson is also often confused with DW... Author: Cinéphilia [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:37:36 11/17/01 Sat BTW, someone sent me Dark at Noon. I watched some of it. It's very strange but not completely uninteresting. DW got to play Dr. Vic five years before Toonsylvania...

[> Subject: I thought it was Lord of the Rings ... Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:06:22 11/17/01 Sat ... that the guy had mentioned seeing DW in the trailer for. I'm really bummed out that DW wasn't in at least one of those movies (both look really good, and he'd make a great wizard, don't you think?). If it was LOTR he thought he saw DW in, it was probably really either Ian McKellan or Christopher Lee ... they've got them so made up with wigs and beards that even I thought I saw DW flash on the screen for a second! (Christopher Lee is of similar height/build to DW--not that they look much alike otherwise. BTW, I was recently shocked when I looked at Lee's IMDb listing and discovered he's got even more movies to his credit than DW! I was beginning to think DW must hold some sort of record. What's really bizarre about it is it's been so long since I've seen Lee in anything that I thought he'd retired, but apparently he's still going strong.) I still can't see the resemblance between Rickman and DW (except that I find them both very attractive!)--but I'll never forget my brother-in-law adamantly insisting to me that the guy we'd just seen in Galaxy Quest was the guy from Time After Time! (I don't think I was ever able to convince him otherwise.) Wouldn't you love to see DW and AR do a film together? (One in which they actually had some good scenes together, that is!) BTW, no "cruel" April Fool's jokes, please! ;-) And then there's Peter O'Toole ... I actually did notice a mild resemblance when rewatching Masada a few weeks ago. But that's another posting ...

[> Subject: Re: Harry Potter Author: SP--I have returned [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:15:57 11/17/01 Sat >Wow, how late is it to tell people that the guy in >Harry Potter everyone thinks is David Warner is >actually Alan Rickman? I was reminded when yet >another promo was on tv and my husband said, "Isn't >that David Warner?" and I said, "No, that's the guy >everyone thinks is David Warner but is actually Alan >Rickman." Say that three times fast. First...let me say ALAN RICKMAN LOOKS SO HOT IN THOSE commercials....and his performance is definitely.....Warnerian (In my humble opinion) I missed everybody...:) Okay, bye.

[> [> Subject: Re: Harry Potter Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:43:42 11/17/01 Sat SP!!!! Welcome back! I missed you. >First...let me say ALAN RICKMAN LOOKS SO HOT IN THOSE >commercials.... I won't argue with you there! I can't wait to see the movie. (After the crowds die down.) Has anybody seen it yet? Coincidentally, he's on right now in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves on the WB. This movie gets worse every time I see it ... except for Alan Rickman, of course. He's just too cool (Warnerian, as you put it)--the movie's only redeeming quality. However, I'm still trying to see the physical resemblance between them, if there is one! Is it just their knack for playing memorable bad guys? And they both have those rich, deep voices ... The makers of Quest of the Delta Knights must've seen some resemblance since they seemed to be trying to get DW to recreate AR's Sheriff of Nottingham. Something else that boggles me: DW himself said, "People ask crazy questions, they say to me, 'David, why did you do that terrible load of rubbish?,' as if I had just turned down everything that ... Alan Rickman had been in." Interesting he should mention him. So why *is* AR getting all these great roles while DW is getting "loads of rubbish," especially if people can't tell them apart? As great as AR is in some roles (the Sheriff, Galaxy Quest, Sense and Sensibility, Closet Land ...), I don't think I'm biased when I say that DW is the vastly superior and more versatile actor. AR has failed to convince me in several of his roles (am I the only one who doesn't care for him in Die Hard??), whereas DW is believable in almost everything he does. (I can only think of one exception out of probably a hundred performances I've seen--and it's probably just me. I just can't buy him as the nasty child psychologist in Tales from the Crypt!) And, BTW, this Robin Hood is a load of rubbish! But AR performs a Warnerian feat by making it seem like an entirely different movie every time he comes on the screen. (OK, the script is still bad, but he makes you forget!)

[> [> [> Subject: AR vs. DW Author: SP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:48:50 11/18/01 Sun Could your *biased* opinion be due to the fact that your still high from.....oops, never mind! I saw a good chunk of "Thieves" today. I must confess I only watch it for Morgan Freeman and Alan Rickman. Freeman is just so superb he makes everyone look good. Alan Rickman was the icing. But I digress, again. Did anyone catch Straw Dogs last week on A&E? I must say while the violence still disturbs me, I can understand its prevailance and appreciate further Sam Peckinpah's genius. I perceived much symbolism in the movie this time around but now I've forgotten all of my observations so I can't impress anyone. (OH WELL) PS...I'm biased too :D >SP!!!! Welcome back! I missed you. Missed you too! :) > >>First...let me say ALAN RICKMAN LOOKS SO HOT IN THOSE >>commercials.... > >I won't argue with you there! I can't wait to see the >movie. (After the crowds die down.) Has anybody seen >it yet? Coincidentally, he's on right now in Robin >Hood: Prince of Thieves on the WB. This movie gets >worse every time I see it ... except for Alan Rickman, >of course. He's just too cool (Warnerian, as you put >it)--the movie's only redeeming quality. > >However, I'm still trying to see the physical >resemblance between them, if there is one! Is it just >their knack for playing memorable bad guys? And they >both have those rich, deep voices ... The makers of >Quest of the Delta Knights must've seen some >resemblance since they seemed to be trying to get DW >to recreate AR's Sheriff of Nottingham. > >Something else that boggles me: DW himself said, >"People ask crazy questions, they say to me, 'David, >why did you do that terrible load of rubbish?,' as if >I had just turned down everything that ... Alan >Rickman had been in." Interesting he should mention >him. So why *is* AR getting all these great roles >while DW is getting "loads of rubbish," especially if >people can't tell them apart? As great as AR is in >some roles (the Sheriff, Galaxy Quest, Sense and >Sensibility, Closet Land ...), I don't think I'm >biased when I say that DW is the vastly superior and >more versatile actor. AR has failed to convince me in >several of his roles (am I the only one who doesn't >care for him in Die Hard??), whereas DW is believable >in almost everything he does. (I can only think of one >exception out of probably a hundred performances I've >seen--and it's probably just me. I just can't buy him >as the nasty child psychologist in Tales from the >Crypt!) > >And, BTW, this Robin Hood is a load of rubbish! But >AR performs a Warnerian feat by making it seem like an >entirely different movie every time he comes on the >screen. (OK, the script is still bad, but he makes >you forget!) Yup.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: AR vs. DW Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:56:16 11/18/01 Sun >Could your *biased* opinion be due to the fact that >your still high from.....oops, never mind! Well, I *could* be ... but I'm not! ;-) I've loved Alan Rickman since first seeing him in Robin Hood but have never thought he was quite as good an actor as DW. Is it just me, or does it seem like he sometimes speaks with a weird, sort of halting cadence? I found it especially distracting in The January Man and Die Hard. Plus I have this thing against phony accents (his American accent was much better than his German one in Die Hard, IMHO). I was glad DW didn't try to effect an accent in the Holocaust! Watching the ending last night (I'd already turned off the computer, or I'd have stopped back in to blather some more!), I noticed something else they have in common: Both look awesome in black! Hey, do you suppose DW took fencing lessons at RADA? A medieval Joshua Sloane versus the Sheriff of Nottingham! And speaking of Delta Knights ripping off Robin Hood, does it seem to you that Robin Hood ripped off ... Time After Time? "George"'s (the sheriff) confession to that little girl about his terrible childhood reminded me an awful lot of Stevenson's "My mother was a rather atrocious woman" line ... trying to make you feel a bit sorry for the villain. Especially since in both movies it comes as he's dragging the girl off with him, only to be thwarted by the hero. (And the part where he says he wants to have something "pure" for once reminded me of the scene where Stevenson and Wells are negotiating for Amy's release and DW gets that painfully sad look in his eyes, as if he momentarily envies Wells's ability to love ... They're both trying to show the villain's human side, only in Robin Hood, it seemed trite.) >Did anyone catch Straw Dogs last week on A&E? I missed it, but I really should watch it again. It's been so many years since I last(/first) saw it. I know I thought it was excellent and was very touched by DW's performance as Henry, but I don't remember picking up on any symbolism. I was too young, I guess! If you remember what the symbolism was, please let us know. (I'm impressed that you picked up on any!) Did they actually show the whole thing uncut?? BTW, I found this really great new Alan Rickman site, if anyone's interested (and isn't aware of it yet): http://www.cybamuse.com/movieThemes/actors/arickman/ I'd post my relevant comments on their chatboard, but I barely have enough time to keep up with this one ... plus the level of discourse isn't quite what it is here! :-) BTW, Entertainment Weekly's review of the movie singles AR out for praise among the adult cast members, saying, "Rickman is practically incandescent with purpose; he emits a high-voltage zap of electricity with every glare." (DW has a great glare too!) They've actually got a little AR database on the site (you can even sign up to get news updates about him e-mailed to you), and you can look up other actors as well ... but, of course, when I looked up David Warner, they had no information about him whatever, which reminded me of why I let my subscription lapse. I don't think he was ever once mentioned in the magazine in the five or six years I subscribed. What is this apparent prejudice against him in Hollywood? Did he forget to pay his SAG dues or something? Harry Potter has *such* a cool cast (John Hurt, John Cleese, Robbie Coltraine, Richard Harris, Ian Hart ... Rik Mayall was even supposed to be in it, but I think his character got cut); the only person missing from it (conspicuously, IMHO) is DW!

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Oops Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:02:22 11/18/01 Sun Whoa, sorry that message was so long! Hate to do this, but one important part of my message got deleted (I forgot the message board reads < and > symbols as HTML!). I meant to insert in that second paragraph: <imagining a great swashbuckling swordfight between AR and DW>) I'll shut up now!

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Harry Potter Author: Melissa [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:38:24 11/19/01 Mon Hi SP! It's great to hear from you and everyone else too :-). I've been an AR fan for ages and can't believe I haven't seen the Harry Potter commercials. There was a photo spread of the cast in Vanity Fair magazine a few months ago and AR looked great. But DW would have been great in that role too. I don't see a resemblance between these guys. Vocally, they're more similar, but Rickman's voice is more nasal than DW's. >SP!!!! Welcome back! I missed you. > >>First...let me say ALAN RICKMAN LOOKS SO HOT IN THOSE >>commercials.... > >I won't argue with you there! I can't wait to see the >movie. (After the crowds die down.) Has anybody seen >it yet? Coincidentally, he's on right now in Robin >Hood: Prince of Thieves on the WB. This movie gets >worse every time I see it ... except for Alan Rickman, >of course. He's just too cool (Warnerian, as you put >it)--the movie's only redeeming quality. > >However, I'm still trying to see the physical >resemblance between them, if there is one! Is it just >their knack for playing memorable bad guys? And they >both have those rich, deep voices ... The makers of >Quest of the Delta Knights must've seen some >resemblance since they seemed to be trying to get DW >to recreate AR's Sheriff of Nottingham. > >Something else that boggles me: DW himself said, >"People ask crazy questions, they say to me, 'David, >why did you do that terrible load of rubbish?,' as if >I had just turned down everything that ... Alan >Rickman had been in." Interesting he should mention >him. So why *is* AR getting all these great roles >while DW is getting "loads of rubbish," especially if >people can't tell them apart? As great as AR is in >some roles (the Sheriff, Galaxy Quest, Sense and >Sensibility, Closet Land ...), I don't think I'm >biased when I say that DW is the vastly superior and >more versatile actor. AR has failed to convince me in >several of his roles (am I the only one who doesn't >care for him in Die Hard??), whereas DW is believable >in almost everything he does. (I can only think of one >exception out of probably a hundred performances I've >seen--and it's probably just me. I just can't buy him >as the nasty child psychologist in Tales from the >Crypt!) > >And, BTW, this Robin Hood is a load of rubbish! But >AR performs a Warnerian feat by making it seem like an >entirely different movie every time he comes on the >screen. (OK, the script is still bad, but he makes >you forget!)

[> [> [> [> Subject: thank you for the warm welcome back Suky and Melissa Author: SP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:38:09 11/19/01 Mon I prefer DW also. I really wish he'd gotten a part in Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. I do want to see 'Rings' but I already see a couple things "wrong" with it. *I'm so contrary!* First, the actor playing Aragorn/Strider is too young. the character in the book was in his 40s. (If you've never heard John Hurt voice him in Ralph Bakshi's animated version, try to find it...it's nice.) Second and more blaringly I disagree with the choice of Liv Tyler as Arwen. I don't feel she has the presence for it...also, in the book Arwen is a minor, minor character. Tolkien really didn't use women much in his novels. But visually the movie looks very impressive. I'M SO GLAD TO HAVE MY 'PUTER BACK.... Your lesson? If you ever have to reinstall windows, DO NOT PARTITION!!! That is all.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Further comparisons (stop me if you've had enough!) Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:28:56 11/20/01 Tue The nice thing about Harry Potter is that the director, Chris Columbus, was a fan of the books and strove to be as faithful to them as possible. He even felt bad about having to leave some scenes out. The author, J. K. Rowling was consulted every step of the way on the script, and she even had a hand in the casting. Unfortunately, Tolkien is no longer here to do the same for LOTR. >(If you've >never heard John Hurt voice him in Ralph Bakshi's >animated version, try to find it...it's nice.) I've seen it (in the theatre, when it was first released!), but it was so long ago, I can't remember it anymore. >Second and more blaringly I disagree with the choice >of Liv Tyler as Arwen. I don't feel she has the >presence for it...also, in the book Arwen is a minor, >minor character. Tolkien really didn't use women much >in his novels. I'm sure political correctness is the reason they expanded her character, which is unfortunate. And, of course, they're worried about making money and so wouldn't have the courage to cast a total unknown in the role. (Hey, if it flops, maybe directors will take a lesson from Chris Columbus and stop tampering with perfection!) > I'M SO GLAD TO HAVE MY 'PUTER BACK.... I'm glad too! I was worried we wouldn't be hearing from you again for a long time! >Your lesson? If you ever have to reinstall windows, DO >NOT PARTITION!!! Heed her warning, all ... My dad once made this same error! It can really screw up your computer. Wouldn't want to lose anyone else here! Hey, I just read one more thing that AR and DW have in common: They *both* hate being typecast as villains. (I think AR had better get used to it for a while though--I read that he's signed on for the next Harry Potter, and the goal is to keep the same cast for all seven films! I haven't read the books, however ... how bad a villain is Snape anyway? And is there a character in the books that's just crying out for DW to play it?) I suppose any actor would hate being typecast as *anything*, but, watching E!'s Mysteries and Scandals, I found it interesting that Vincent Price actually sought out his niche as a villain. And I don't think anyone ever believed he was a villain in real life as a result. The best movie villains are *always* the opposite of their characters. That's what makes the characters so interesting. It's unfortunate that being so good at something ends up getting you typecast. On the good-guy side, though, I just watched Zoya for the first time and ... doesn't Prince Vladimir remind you of Colonel Brandon in Sense and Sensibility? Except Zoya never comes to her "senses"!

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ah, Colonel Brandon! Author: Melissa [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:40:38 11/20/01 Tue Oh, Suky, isn't AR just heavenly in 'Sense & Sensibility'? That's my favorite AR role. DW would have been a wonderful Brandon say 15 years ago.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Zoya was an ignorant slut Author: With a message subject like this? Who else but your SP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:56:02 11/20/01 Tue I cringingly sat through it just to see him...*he was so handsome and debonair*....and that stupid **** didn't want him???? Was she blind AND stupid??? There are several roles I'd like to see DW in...all of my own creation.....alas. Vincent Price was nothing like his evil film portrayals...I've only heard the most sterling testimony as to his nature and character. He was a wonderful actor and a lovely man. I miss him as an actor. He was fun to watch.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Brandon versus Vladimir Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:28:32 11/26/01 Mon <sigh> Yes, Col. Brandon ... The sisters in Sense and Sensibility reminded me so much of my own sister and me; I was the Kate Winslet character! Except for one thing: I'd have fallen in love with Col. Brandon, and there'd have been no plot. Or at least it would have been a much different plot ... when Prince Vladimir came knocking at the door ... challenging Brandon to an awesome swashbuckling fencing duel! ;-) DW and AR were miscast in those roles, weren't they? And Zoya didn't "endeavor to deserve" a guy like Vladimir anyway! >Vincent Price was nothing like his evil film >portrayals...I've only heard the most sterling >testimony as to his nature and character. Peter Cushing was another horror veteran whose kindness everyone (even DW) raved about. Another of my heroes.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Fencing Author: Cinéphilia [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:56:38 11/20/01 Tue Fencing classes used to be mandatory at the RADA. LOTR's director, Peter Jackson, made "Heavenly Creatures", an excellent film with a very young Kate Winslet. Chris Columbus has yet to make anything of that caliber.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Fencing Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:16:35 11/26/01 Mon >Fencing classes used to be mandatory at the RADA. Alas, I don't think we've ever gotten to see DW utilize his fencing skills on film, have we? Of course, even he and AR could never top the classic Errol Flynn/Basil Rathbone showdown in the original Adventures of Robin Hood. (BTW, Robin Hood: Men in Tights was on the other night. What a great spoof. And Cary Elwes was perfect in the title role!) BTW, Alan Rickman went to RADA too ... Although he and DW are only five years apart in age, AR didn't attend until about 1971, according to the bio on that website. (He went to art college first.) >LOTR's director, Peter Jackson, made "Heavenly >Creatures", an excellent film with a very young Kate >Winslet. Chris Columbus has yet to make anything of >that caliber. I was just reading that Jackson is a fan of the LOTR books and made an effort to be faithful to them, so the outlook for that film is pretty good. Meanwhile, Chris Columbus made Home Alone and Mrs. Doubtfire! I heard he got the job because he's good with kids. And also he promised to be faithful to the books and hire an all-British cast (he's an Anglophile), which won Jo Rowling's approval.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Fencing Author: Cinéphilia [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:00:25 11/28/01 Wed DW did get to use his fencing skills in "Hamlet". Alas, we'll probably never have the chance to see that... Who knows ? Perhaps he did get to use cutlery in a creative, flamboyant way in "Michael Kohlhaas der Rebell" ?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Fencing Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:07:18 12/03/01 Mon >Who knows ? Perhaps he did get to use cutlery in a >creative, flamboyant way in "Michael Kohlhaas der >Rebell" ? Well, I wasn't so sure before, but now you've convinced me ... MUST ... SEE ... THIS ... FILM!

[> [> Subject: Re: Harry Potter Author: Payne's Girl [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:58:07 11/24/01 Sat >>Wow, how late is it to tell people that the guy in >>Harry Potter everyone thinks is David Warner is >>actually Alan Rickman? If JK Rowling is reading this...DW must, repeat, must play either Sirius Black or Professor Lupin in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, of which the script is already being written as I type this. Lupin would be my first choice...it's a role that is endearing and enobling. Payne's Girl

[> [> [> Subject: A plea to Ms. Rowling Author: SnakePriestess [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:55:26 11/25/01 Sun First, congratulations on Harry's phenomenal success. Second: in regard to Proff. Lupin PLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE???????????? Ain't too proud to beg (when it's worth it), SnakePriestess

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A plea to Ms. Rowling Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:08:15 11/26/01 Mon Rather than hoping Ms. Rowling will see our message board ... maybe we should write a letter to her, as well as director Chris Columbus and producer David Heyman. What do you think? :-)

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Harry Potter Author: Cinéphilia [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:55:28 11/28/01 Wed Suky, you should write to these three persons... You're good with letters, I'm sure they'd make an impact.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Harry Potter Author: Guess who again [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:05:42 12/03/01 Mon Sorry ... it's been a slow day at work (for once!). >Suky, you should write to these three persons... >You're good with letters, I'm sure they'd make an >impact. LOL ... Thanks for the compliment, but you know me ... By the time I finish writing these three letters, the seventh movie will be finished! Actually, it'd probably have *more* impact if we each sent individual letters. :-)

[> Subject: AR and DW arm-wrestling Author: Rachel Spence [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:20:04 11/24/01 Sat Hey all, I know I haven't written but I have been reading this message board. I had to jump in since I am an Alan Rickman fan (though yes,DW still takes the proverbial cake! ) Yes, Alan Rickman has done rubbish. Witness "Close My Eyes" and "Mesmer". Rickman does "stock but subtle" extremely well. I belonged to a AR fansite but the folks were absolutely LIVID that he accepted such a blockbuster role. Go figure. I seemed to remember AR's role of Professor Snape in "Harry Potter" originally offered to Tim Roth who chose Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes" (which had some dude named David Warner in it.)Mr. Rickman was a second choice.So those movies were filmed at the same time. Btw, you all know I'm sure that AR and DW were both in "Rasputin". Thanks for your time, Rachel

[> [> Subject: Re: AR and DW arm-wrestling Author: SnakePriestess [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:58:16 11/25/01 Sun > >>>Btw, you all know I'm sure that AR and DW were both in >"Rasputin". In fact, the only reason I rented and watched that film. > Oh, and Welcome to the nuthouse. Cashew?

[> [> Subject: I have seen the movie and it was good ... Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:38:00 12/03/01 Mon ... but not great. I haven't read the book, but it felt like an endless procession of scenes from it and lacked sufficient cohesiveness or character development to make it really great. It felt more like a montage of "Harry Potter's Greatest Moments." People who've read the book tell me all the scenes are *there* ... there's just no build-up or explanation for them. All the characters and relationships are well developed in the book. (I'm looking at it as one big long teaser for the book, which, of course I have to read now!) I think the story would have been much better as a TV series (at least a mini-series). As you might anticipate (don't want you to be too disappointed!), there is entirely too little of Alan Rickman ... and John Hurt's role is just a cameo as well. (Actually, almost all the adult parts were cameos.) And, of course, there's *definitely* too little of David Warner!! ;-) He'd have made a good Dumbledore, IMHO! (Then again, he'd have made a great anything.) My friend who's an avid Potter fan agreed with me that it's probably a good thing (in the overall scheme of things--but not for us!) there was so little of Snape. If there'd been more, he'd have stolen the movie again like he did with Robin Hood. (In fact, we decided that Robin Hood would have been a much better movie if they'd just made AR the star and told it from Nottingham's p.o.v.! What do you say we lobby for a sequel?) But!!! AR was, of course, excellent. He's sooo delectably creepy! And that is one sexy costume. The way he uses that cape at times, he looks just like a bat! BTW, in case anyone's still interested, my husband confirmed for me that there *is* definitely a resemblance between DW and AR ... it's primarily the Voice! Oh yeah, this was supposed to be a reply ... Hi, Rachel!!!! Great to hear from you again. Looking forward to more of your thoughts! >I know I haven't written but I have been reading this >message board. I had to jump in since I am an Alan >Rickman fan (though yes,DW still takes the proverbial >cake! ) OK, is there *ANY* of us here who isn't an Alan Rickman fan?? I was thinking we ought to form an Alan Rickman "SIG" within our little "club," but can it be a SIG if it includes the whole group?? ;-) >Yes, Alan Rickman has done rubbish. Witness "Close My >Eyes" and "Mesmer". I haven't witnessed either of those yet. I have Mesmer on tape though ... you mean I'm not going to like it? :-( (At least the video box makes it worth the price. ;-) ) >I belonged to a AR fansite but the >folks were absolutely LIVID that he accepted such a >blockbuster role. Go figure. Huh?? They must've really hated him for doing Die Hard and Robin Hood then! At least this was in a *good* movie! (And here *we* are *wishing* blockbuster roles for DW.) >I seemed to remember AR's role of Professor Snape in >"Harry Potter" originally offered to Tim Roth who >chose Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes" (which had >some dude named David Warner in it.)Mr. Rickman was a >second choice.So those movies were filmed at the same >time. At least AR was on Rowling's list. Could you imagine Tim Roth in the role? He's OK in some things I've seen him in ... but he's just a little *too* believable in those bad guy roles! (He says he enjoys playing them.) I still can't get past my first impression of him from Rob Roy! He makes DW's Jack the Ripper seem like a teddy bear. (That might be something to ponder for your treatise on why we love villains so much, Jen ... What is it that attracts us to some while there are others we just plain hate?) >Btw, you all know I'm sure that AR and DW were both in >"Rasputin". Of course! But I'm still longing for a film where they have some really good scenes together. What was that film you said they were making together as an April Fool's joke, Cinephilia? I can't remember what it was now, but it was something good! See what you started? ;-) Sorry for the long post again. It's been *days* now ... I've been saving up!

[> [> [> Subject: Re: I have seen the movie and it was good ... Author: HRB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:07:05 12/03/01 Mon Hi Suky! Wish you could find time to chat with us one of these days. We miss you. (That might be >something to ponder for your treatise on why we love >villains so much, Jen ... What is it that attracts us >to some while there are others we just plain hate?) > Maybe we like the villains who have a seeming vulnerability underneath the ruthlessness??

[> [> [> Subject: Good villains vs. bad villains Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:34:05 12/04/01 Tue >Hi Suky! Wish you could find time to chat with us one of >these days. We miss you. Thanks! :-) The feeling is 100% mutual! I'll try if I get time. Unfortunately, you probably won't be hearing much from me for a while ... A new quarter has started at school, and I'm taking *two* courses instead of just one like I did last quarter. (I'm determined to finish this darn degree by spring!) >Maybe we like the villains who have a seeming vulnerability >underneath the ruthlessness?? I think you're right! We don't like *real* bad guys ... we like the ones in whom we can see just a little bit of goodness or a glimmer of conscience--or who at least exude a bit of pathos. (Or the ones who just go so far over the top that you can't believe in them anyway--like Nottingham or Snape. Even Tim Roth's Planet of the Apes character was kind of fun!) It's like the thrill of riding a rollercoaster--versus actually driving off a cliff!

[> [> Subject: Rasputin et Al (et David) ;-) Author: Suky [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:10:18 12/10/01 Mon Rachel, thanks to your reminder, I just had to watch Rasputin again, and they did have one (very brief) scene together after all. In fact, it was a really good one. Now I remember why it left me wanting a whole lot more: (1) They only exchange about four lines of dialog. (2) DW barely has any lines at all in the movie. He's there pretty much throughout but spends most of it just standing around looking concerned/skeptical. Rasputin was really AR's movie. I want to see them teamed up for an entire movie! (3) The ugly beards just ruin it for me! (I hate scraggly beards and goatees! It's superficial, I admit it, but when you've got two of the best looking men on the planet in the same room together, it's a shame to obscure all that beauty! [Apologies to Melissa W.; hope you're having a good chuckle like I would be if I heard anyone make such a comment about my dad!]) Anyway, I did enjoy the exchange ... there just wasn't enough of it! Going back to that topic I just can't seem to leave alone (sorry if I'm annoying you--if so, just say so!) ... someone posted a link on the AR message board to a great article analyzing the attraction of Snape. I think it can also be extrapolated to explain our fascination with villains in general: http://www.flakmag.com/film/snape.html What do you think? Is it accurate?

[> Subject: Full circle Author: Oh no, not her again! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:17:58 12/15/01 Sat I'm sorry to keep coming back to this topic, but I just have to share my exasperation with folks who'll understand. Tonight, while I was watching an Alan Rickman movie I had taped, my husband came in and asked what I was watching. I told him, and he asked if it was any good. I said no, it was a really stupid movie. "Well, why are you watching it then?" "Don't you recognize him?" I asked pointing to AR. "Is that ... David Warner?" After all this (and he was one of the people I consulted about what this mysterious resemblance is and he said it was really only the voice), I haven't been able to stop laughing (and crying) about it since.

[> [> Subject: Re: Full circle Author: Cinéphilia [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:53:34 12/16/01 Sun Well, my mom confuses DW and John Hurt! But she does not confuse Robert Newton and Henri Guybet - they don't speak the same language after all!