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Subject: How We Will Ruin Amateur Sports


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Date Posted: 11:47:22 04/24/26 Fri
In reply to: Greenhorn 's message, "Five-for-Five Impact?" on 10:53:57 04/24/26 Fri

Five-for-five will become six-for-five. You mark my words.

We've already conditioned coaches and athletic trainers that they have six years to work with. The first time that some athlete suffers a horrific legitimate injury and then works like a dog to come back from it, becoming the feel-good story of the year, five-for-five will get a "one-time" exemption for six-for-five.

Then that will become the standard -- for the rest of college athletics, that is.

I agree with Greenhorn that our guys -- our eight guys who are actually mostly gals, in Massachusetts Hall and Nassau Hall -- are not going to accept this for us. Nor should they.

College athletics is now three things:

(1) Two sports, football and men's basketball, which are true revenue generators and, in about two dozen cases, actual profit centers. With NIL and the transfer portal, football and men's basketball will hurtle toward their logical conclusion. They will look and feel like businesses with every sad fringe "benefit": unions, collective bargaining, labor arbitration boards, et cetera. It will be an entertainment business with absolutely nothing to do with college, except the rental use of college sports facilities.

(2) Some sports that will stay relatively unaffected, those with very little revenue potential and, more importantly, little ability to improve a college's media profile among the general public: crew, fencing, and the like.

(3) A small number of hybrid sports that fall somewhere in between: women's basketball, men's lacrosse, baseball and softball.

Five-for-six will become standard for Group (1) sports. Once it does, I don't see how you can keep it from being the law of the land for Group (2) and (3) as well.

Then we will have made American higher education an extraordinarily expensive four-year process for 99% of students and a free or salary-generating six-year process for the 1% who happen to play a sport well.

Yesterday afternoon, I sat in the stands watching my daughter's high school soccer game. My wife explained that one of the girls on the team no longer attends any classes in school. She takes all of her schoolwork online so that she'll have more time to practice soccer.

My first reaction was, "That's awful. She's no longer a child, she's a product." My second reaction was, "That makes sense. That family is smart."

We have ruined amateur sports.

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[> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact?


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:57:27 04/24/26 Fri


Personally, I'd expect that even if the Ivy did go with the five-for-five rule, the overwhelming majority of our players would use the extra eligibility year at a graduate school.

And no--I do not expect the Ivy to ever lift its ban on grad students playing.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact?


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observer
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Date Posted: 11:30:21 04/25/26 Sat

As long as Princeton doesn't have many graduate programs, there will never be grad eligibility in the Ivies. It would help Cornell, Columbia and Penn too much in the transfer market for HYP to approve.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact?


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 13:51:57 04/28/26 Tue

Why would H or Yale go along with P if they feel grad availability helps them? I forget the issue now, but Walters once told me he was outvoted 7-1 on a mattter of some, albeit lesser importance.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact?


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:07:41 04/28/26 Tue

Bengal, you have got to reach way back into the deep recesses of your brain to remember on what issue Walters was outvoted 7-1.

There are a number of topics on which I would be honored to be outvoted by seven other Ivy League universities.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: My guess...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:54:05 04/28/26 Tue


... Walters was the lone vote against implementing the Ivy League lacrosse tournaments.

Can't imagine what else it would have been?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: My guess...


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 15:36:28 04/28/26 Tue

If Walters voted against the first Ivy League postseason in-conference tournament -- that of men's lacrosse -- which was proposed by his own coach Bill Tierney, that would certainly be one reason why the latter decamped for Denver.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact?


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 15:12:37 04/28/26 Tue

It wasn’t that. It may have had to do with how the AI was applied, team by team or across the entire recruited class of athletes outside of football. I just can’t remember. I do remember him telling me we took fewer recruits than the League rules permit.

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Ivy ivy
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Date Posted: 12:01:05 04/28/26 Tue

Agreed. This could really actually benefit Ivies. So instead of those Princeton basketball players sitting out then going somewhere else, they could play 4 full years and still have another year to play elsewhere.

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[> [> [> Subject: Who Does This Help?


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Date Posted: 13:11:46 04/28/26 Tue

Excellent point, Ivy Ivy.

Right now, the outbound transfer portal acts as a sort of restrictor plate on the most aggressive recruiters in the Ivy League, most specifically Tommy Amaker. He recruits better players than the other Ivies, then loses them when they turn out to be just as good as advertised.

This will help Amaker somewhat, as he can now pitch the "Harvard for four, Big Ten or ACC for one" plan.

The real benefit will be for James Jones and Mitch Henderson, maybe Brett McConnell if he was the assistant who reeled in Tosan, Lee and Pierce. Yale and Princeton have had the problem where guys come in, develop and then become much BETTER than advertised. They leave for Michigan and Florida.

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