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Subject: Re: Duby duby down down


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Date Posted: 19:15:44 10/17/03 Fri
In reply to: jrpfeffer 's message, "Duby duby down down" on 18:48:29 10/15/03 Wed
 >The number of practicing or should I say believing
>Jews is dropping just as the number of practicing
>Christians are dropping. Very few Jews converted to
>Christianity for the reasons of 'reason' as you
>indirectly suggest.

There are about 20 million Judaists or Jews if you like while there are several BILLION Christians. Also there are 1,3 billion Muslims. So it is wrong to call Judaism a world religion as the believers are very few and dwindling although you have added 3.


>Scientists believe in truth if it is proven. They can
>explore a hypotheses before it is proven and say. We
>think that this might be true, let's find out for sure
>if we can. 1+1 = 2 is generally accepted as a fact.

According to Popper a theory is true until it is proven false. God is true and can never be proven false but all the false gods are false and will eventually be viewed as false even by those who think they are true. Science is a CREATION and as such it cannot be worshipped on God's expense.

>I don't believe that a state of Palestine must be
>created. I believe if may be created and that would be
>a solution to many problems. I certainly don't push
>it. And I certainly support a strategy that delays it
>if there is a benefit to Israel to do so.

You are pushing the idea that this futuristic state called "Palestine" must be established in Israel. It could be established simply by changing the name of Jordan to Palestine.



>You are twisting two unrelated facts.
>
>1. The Jews of Israel today have not converted to
>Christianity.

Many have. Only a small fraction of the Jews are still believing in Judaism. The large majority have converted. Compare the numbers: 20 million vs. several Billions.

>2. And the Jews who converted to Christianity, a) are
>not the Jews of today, b) generally didn't do it for
>reasons you suggest.

If they converted several centuries ago they are probably totally assimilated. I don't suggest any particular reason except the search for truth.

>An Arab wanting an Arab state is not a con. It's only
>a con if you accept your absolute truth.

I was thinking of the Peste from the old JP forum.

>There is a
>lot more to people than their opinions on an Arab
>state. Jews have a lot more in common with Christains,
>even fervent ones like you, than they do with Islamic
>peoples. It is a strategy that you have to pretend
>that adherence to a small set of truths is the only
>judge of people.
>
>Before Christian dogma took you over, you thought very
>much like your typical educated western person brought
>up in so called Judao-Christian values. Now you come
>along and grouped the world's peoples completely
>differently. Now the Jews are like the Islamic people
>according to you?

Nan is similar to Mustapha, yes. The real Jews do not reject Jesus Christ. Your dogma is that everything is acceptable if it calls itself religion.
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Re: Duby duby down downnannette19:54:29 10/17/03 Fri
Re: Duby duby down downjrpfeffer05:46:32 11/24/03 Mon

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