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Date Posted: 06:04:09 05/06/16 Fri
Author: Sol I. Darity
Subject: Re: The PG's upGruv
In reply to: Helen of Troy Hill 's message, "Re: The PG's upGruv" on 06:44:43 05/05/16 Thu

Nice to knock the Guild and yes, they might be kind of backward in some ways.

But set aside your blind Mila-worship for 30 seconds and ponder this, Helen. Where would the increasingly empty PG newsroom would be WITHOUT the Guild? You can't do that, can you?

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: The PG's upGruv -- Helen of Troy Hill, 17:07:58 05/06/16 Fri [1]

Uh, sure I can. It would look a lot more diverse and a lot less entrenched in the past. What did they do to prevent the latest round of buyouts? Nothing. They admitted they were utterly helpless when management announced it was moving toward layoffs, which may yet be on the horizon.

Rather than try to move into the 21st century, the Guild executive committee spends time filing grievances over ridiculous perceived slights and complains about the taste of drinking water in the new building. At the same time, they bend over backwards protecting members whose egregious misconduct would have seen them fired long ago at any other reasonable organization.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: The PG's upGruv -- Onlooker, 09:36:47 05/08/16 Sun [1]

Helen of Troy Hill:

I wonder if you could explain a little of what you mean by the guild needing to move into the 21st Century? I can't get a handle on it. Could you give an example or two? It's clear that you mean the guild is still doing somethings the old way (I guess that's the way to put it), and you're saying they should be doing them the new way. The 21st Century way. I just can't come up with an example.

Also, about your reference to some employees engaging in egregious misconduct. I'm not asking for names or positions, but I wonder if you could give a couple examples of egregious conduct on a newspaper. What's going on there that we don't know about? I hope you're not talking about criminal acts.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: The PG's upGruv -- Sol I. Darity, 17:02:51 05/08/16 Sun [1]

"Third (and I know this will get pushback from the board trolls, but have at it) anyone who has ever worked in a newsroom knows that personality and leadership skills count for a lot more than the length of a resume, fairly or unfairly. You'll challenge this, I'm sure, but it's true."

It seems anyone who dares disagree with your contention that Mila can do no wrong and "the length of a resume doesn't matter" is a "board troll." Let me say, Helen, only one poster has taken a consistently antagonistic tone in this entire thread: you. Just as you disrespected the Guild, you tried to bring gender into this argument and looked silly because the facts were not on your side. As the PG loses more money, it straddles a brave new digital world and an aging regional demographic still partial to print, and that's a challenge. Are page hits dictating what gets into print? I wonder. Yes, "personality and leadership skills" count. I also think there's merit in learning from the bottom up.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Question for Helen -- Guildenstern, 20:25:47 05/09/16 Mon [1]

Helen, could you please define "diversity" as you perceive it? Are you implying there's deliberate lack of "diversity" in the Guild? If so, please cite concrete examples. It's like your comments about "egregious misconduct." You say something and hope it sticks. It doesn't.

It's tiresome, seeing the term "diversity" capriciously dropped into comments as if the mere act of doing so validates an opinion. It cheapens a very important concept. Defenders of the Seen Sisters, Sara and Natalie, and their all-about-us presentations tell critics they add "diversity" to the feature. Precisely how? Anyone hinting Uricchio and Richardson, their two predecessors, did not embrace the concept stretches the truth badly.

For someone advocating a "21st Century" approach, your arguments are rooted more in anger than fact.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Question for Helen -- Counter, 03:48:08 05/10/16 Tue [1]

Hey, look, it's the guy who obsesses over the "Seen" women!

Congratulations on your 100th post mentioning them.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Question for Helen -- Back on track, 22:15:19 05/10/16 Tue [1]

Yeah, Seen isn't the issue. The idea Mila is trying to make changes that may not necessarily be to the PG's benefit [or might be] is the point. That her minions (and Schmitz) think she is the dawn of enlightenment while others see her as needlessly upsetting the applecart is the focus. The crunch is on from Kid Robbie and Mr. Granite State to save the PG, but it's far from clear status quo or SuperMila are the answer.

The old phrase 'too little, too late' may be the most operable.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: The PG's upGruv -- Cedar of Mt. Lebanon, 16:07:53 05/07/16 Sat [1]

Since the rank and file vote on leadership, it's obvious that they are voting in who they want: those who desire to hold the positions on the Executive Committee. What planet do you reside on, Helen? What was the Guild supposed to do to prevent the buyouts? Threaten a picket line or walkout? It would be worth taking bets to see how fast the company would lock the doors, probably for good.

The 21st Century you talk about is an era where journalism as you know it will tragically cease to exist. All your carping about what the Guild can or can't do won't change that. Sadly, you are right about the Guild having to protect a faction of over the hill newsroomers who long ago ceased to be of value, who could have taken buyouts and wouldn't. The paper would be better off without them. I'll concede that.

So it would seem the young folks who share your view have a couple of options. Want to see what it's like to work for a Guild-free newspaper? Just take a little stroll up to Martindale Street and ask the gang in what's left of that newsroom how great it is and where they'd rather work. There's always room for improvement but a flawed Guild is better than none at all. Of you could try voting out the Guild. See how far that gets.

As a member of the "cult of Mila," feel free to sit by and hope she and her "vision" save the PG. Even she lacks those superpowers, I fear. And profits from digital will take years, if ever. By the time anyone figures it out, it's a toss-up if there'll be a PG at all.

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