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Subject: First of all - Author: Ned Depew [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:49:12 08/05/05 Fri In reply to: Thomas Koulos 's message, "HAL silent on their Fund raiser's dillema" on 04:40:29 08/05/05 Fri Thanks for showing that you know how to be civil when you put your mind to it, and that you can post (questions at least) that make sense and are pertinent to the issues. The reason I have not commented on some issues is that, having work to do and having plenty to cope with just in researching the issues about which I have commented, I haven't had time to follow up on some issues, like the Library. Unlike some posters, I like to know what I'm talking about before I open my mouth, and I don't just fire off a volley of poorly-considered opinions based on a quick reading of the front page of the notoriously innaccurate Register-Star. Unlike you Tom, I don't have or claim to have either all the answers, or even all the "opinions." I don't know what "remarks" you made at the HCSD meeting, since I wasn't there and they weren't reported, so I have no idea whether anyone is "following-up" on them. I do know that if they were obscured with the same layers of rhetorical decoration and obtuse metaphoric reference with which you lace your posts here (not to mention the sometimes mean-spirited sarcasm), it may be that the HCSD board had no idea what you were talking about. I"d be interested to hear about what you said, if you can post it here in a concise, coherent, civil form. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: First of all - Author: Thomas Koulos [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:49:23 08/05/05 Fri Author: Thomas Koulos [Edit] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date Posted: 04:21:57 07/26/05 Tue -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Listening to the varrious speakers making their eloquent demands and accusations with no one adding up the tally put all those present and incognito on the damned if you do and damned if you don't list.:):) Now that they are finding out what it's like to raise money for all the services they demand and feel entitled to little thought is given to the kinds of impacts they are creating for each other to obtain their special interests goals. As you know money doesn't come pouring down from heaven to fulfill good intentions in any community strapped with with all kinds of challanges with everyone wanting a piece of the pie. On their way to the Board's meeting they encountered one of the many challanges seeing and slowing down for the temporary job to line the aging water pipes with a sealer that they will have to pay for along with all the other requests that they take for granted. I did not stay for the interviews that followed the meeting as the press went to work to get their stories with the red ink swirling around them all. I had to laugh when a represantative of the Hudson area library took issue with my writen remarks to the Board and those present in defending their plight to raise millions to restore their building which she stated was not condemned:)I'll be waiting to see what they'll come up with when

[> [> [> Subject: How can one respond to incoherence? Author: Ned Depew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:52:34 08/05/05 Fri Tom - If these were the "remarks" you made, then the reason no one responded to them is probably because no one could understand what you were getting at - I know I can't, and that's why I ignored them when you posted them earlier. They simply make no sense. You mix the HCSD budget request with the Harry Howard sewer project with the "damned if you do, damned if you don't list," with the Hudson Area Library, and ice it all off with your usual impenetrable locutions. If you intended your remarks to have some meaning (and not to be just another opportunity for you to hear the sound of your own voice), please go over them and try to explain it in terms someone other than you can understand. Otherwise, no one can respond because it isn't clear what you are talking about or what you are asking.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: How can one respond to incoherence? Author: Thomas Koulos [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:26:04 08/05/05 Fri What do you expect us to enlighten a befudled intelect such as yours??:):):)Tom Koulos

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I manage to communicate in a way such that you can understand me... Author: Ned Depew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:33:50 08/05/05 Fri is it too much to ask that you should try to do the same? If you are trying to communicate (rather than just soothing yourself with the sound of your own voice) then you ought to be trying to make yourself understood. If someone says they have no idea what you are talking about, you need to figure out how to say what you want to say in a way that can be understood, no?

[> [> [> Subject: Huh! Author: Gene [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:52:41 08/05/05 Fri For all of me Ned, I don't understand why you can't follow Tom's logic. All I have is a HHS education and have no problem understanding what he has to say. Could it be you're not relating on the same level as he is. Trying to think in real life terms may help you.

[> [> [> [> Subject: I aked you before - Gene - if you understand it, then please explain it. Author: Ned Depew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:30:29 08/05/05 Fri

[> [> [> Subject: It can't be any clearer..... Author: Gene [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:26:26 08/06/05 Sat Tom is talking about going to a school board meeting and what he encountered along the way, who and what was talked about and by whom. Can't get any clearer, in plain English the "chickens are coming home to roost".

[> [> [> [> Subject: So Tom is saying,... Author: Ned Depew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:32:01 08/06/05 Sat "I went to a school board meeting and I talked" - that much I got. What's all the rest about? What "remarks" is Tom refering to? What did he say? Did he have a point to make? Did he make any sense? Is that clear to you? Is Tom implying that there is a connection between a reporter being fired and his remarks - or the HCSD BOE meeting? Or is this just another non sequitur? If he believes there is a connection, why not share that with us, and give us some reason for his belief? Is that clear to you? Is there any connection between some reporter being denied unemployment benefits by the R.-S. and any other subject that Tom has referred to, or is this just another pointless non sequitur? Is that clear to you? Is there any connection between any of these subjects and "the latest on the refusal to make improvements on the bridge that posed a threat on all those who use it?" Does this have anything to do with the BOE? The HCSD? The Register-Star reporter not receiving unemployment? Anything? Is that clear to you? "Strike "2'is on Londa's Board having been deleted on your Board," I think is a reference to Tom having cross-posted a piece of nonsense that I deleted here, that I then told him was "Strike Two" towards his being banned form this board. This makes sense! Is it a mistake? Is that clear to you? "Seems we have our curtain rod annonimous posters who know how to critisize but have yet to offer Positive alternatives.here on your board,Londa's or at the public meetings." This seems to be a reference to some silly/joke post about a messy divorce and curtain rods that Tom pulled off the internet and posted all over the place, that I also deleted. But who or what are "curtain rod annonimous posters?" Is that clear to you? And is Tom just plain stupid, or is he willfully ignorant of all the "alternatives" to the gargantuan, badly-planned, mightily-polluting SLC proposal that have been presented? Is that clear to you? There is an entire "smart-growth" strategy for economic development that is already being implemented in Hudson and Columbia County - where property values and tax bases have grown far more than they would have from the drop-in-the-bucket represented by the SLC proposal. Small businesses - the backbone of the American economy have been growing quickly, in spite of a complete lack of attention and encouragement from our County and City officials and their pet Alphabet agencies, which have been used far more to reward cronies than to help any citizens. IUs Tom purposly ignorant of all these efforts? Is that clear to you? FoH, on the other hand, has proposed a whole agenda of smart growth strategies, many of which individuals and local groups are implementing on their own, since they can get no help from those who are only interested in "developing" what profits them and and their cronies, and what they can keep under their thumb. Has Tom failed to even examine the "alternative" proposals and issues raised at the open FoH sponsored Community meeting at CGCC on June 18th? Or is he just too blind to care? Is that clear to you?

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: No, you are saying.... Author: Gene [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:15:49 08/06/05 Sat You sure know how to muddie things up, I'm glad I can keep it simple, cause you are sure confusing. What goals have FoH put forth and where are they? I haven't seen anything concrete (pun intended).

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Now really have made it clear... Author: Ned Depew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:43:36 08/07/05 Sun ...that you have no more idea of what Tom is saying than I do (or than he does!). That's pretty much what I figured. Some people apparently just blow smoke for the fun they get out of it. Not very productive or very respectful of others - but hey, why should I expect anything more? Call or visit the FoH office and ask to see the working papers that have been developed so far out of the June 18th meeting. There is a lot going on, If you are not aware of it or involved in it, that is simply because you've refused to be.