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Date Posted: 14:07:19 12/07/07 Fri
Author: Matt Heermans
Author Host/IP: ip2-210.tvmax-fiber-1.hou.ygnition.net / 66.199.65.210
Subject: Re: Texas is not part of teh south!!!
In reply to: Travieso 's message, "Re: Texas is not part of teh south!!!" on 15:38:13 07/18/07 Wed

I have not posted here in quite some time. (Hi y'all) but this conversation caught my eye. Randy, you did a great job with facts here and I certainly don't have anything to add, because you have covered them all expertly. However, I do have a different point to make in this case regarding Travis's basic premise that there are a lot of Mexicans in Texas now, and therefore we are somehow no longer the South. Despite this being an assertion that I believe makes little logical sense in many aspects, I will offer 3 points that I find obvious here:

1. Travis, you simply cannot connect your hispanic upbringing in any way, shape or form to my cultural experience in Texas, nor can you with many others - including may hispanics. I am a white guy in Texas and most of the people I grew up with were the same, probably because I was not raised in South Texas, along the border etc. The fact that you were raised on tamales in Christmas and your mother made tortillas has ZERO to do with the majority of Texan's experiences. My mother did NOT make tamales, nor did she roll tortillas. She made pecan pie with Southern Comfort and we had to eat black-eyed peas. The culture that you wish to infer onto all of Texas is peculiar to hispanics living along the border, from my experience, and not white or black Texans'. To even slightly insinuate that tamales on Christmas and tortilla-rolling mothers are the norm in Texas for the traditional, assimilated Texas that I and most people know... is presumptuous at best and inane at worst.

2. Again, with the assertion that your particular hispanic culture(not a traditional culture in Texas, and not a traditional culture in the US) is somehow the norm in Texas, fails to realize the stark dividing lines in the State. A white boy like myself, growing up outside of Houston, has little to NO "hispanic cultural influence" whatsoever. I knew and I know that burritos are tasty... thats about the extent of it. What we have is a bright-line distinction between the white and black Texas and the newly formed, illegal, and non-assimilated culture of Mexico that simply resides in Texas. To tell me that my uprbringing and background is not Southern, nor my experience in Texas because there are a ton of Mexicans living here is akin to saying something like..."You don't like catfish because Mexicans don't like catfish." which doesn't make sense. I understand that you are a 78th generation Texan and I am proud, but the Texas you speak of is not the norm, but something particular to your ancestry and your location within the state. Texas is a divided state. Period. My child will not have any "hispanic cultural influence" either. Because this culture is a state within a state in Texas, for the most part. The hispanics are a seperately functioning society within a state, replete with their own TV, radio, stores, parts of town and racial-dominance organizations such as La Raza. But I digress. The idea that your experience and fairly interesting but altogether false sense of Texas history are somehow related to my experience - is simply wrong and does not play out well with most Texans.

3. This is simply a matter of geography and demographics here. You emphasize "east Texas" as some strange portion of the state that you feel is diametrically different than your part of the state. Besides being obviously flawed in the sense that East Texans could (and do) look at portions of South Texas as a completely different country altogether than the Texas they know(i.e. your view, simply turned around) most Texans live on or east of the I-35 line, which is many Texans' dividing line for "South" and whatever they may choose to label west Texas on any particular day. I think the numbers show even close to 85% live in this area.

So, in my opinion your hispanic-based dogma about Texas and her history is not only flawed, but logically impossible to impart to me and any other Texan that is not of that seperate and distinct culture, and non-Texan culture for the most part.

Thanks,
and have a Southern day sir, because like it or not, you are part of a Southern state and no matter how many tortillas you roll over Christmas holiday, yours is a state that chose to war with mexico, join the confederacy and hold slaves, just as the rest of the South. No amount of factual contortion can change these facts.

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