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Date Posted: 11/07/06 3:24:26pm
Author: D9
Subject: It didn't cost the Cats the game.........
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RB
's message, "Issue with Cats selection" on 11/07/06 12:04:13pm
Cats scored 1657, if Ottens played 80 points would of been added to the top section, and the 18th player would of dropped to 19th and out of the score. The 18th player Philip Read scored 54 so his score wouldn't of counted, the difference being 26 points. The Magpies won the game by 29 points.
Jacko hates Ottens, he recons he's useless. I think it is unfoundered, and his scores suggests that.
Jacko dropped Ottens a few weeks ago for the same reason, so it is not a I'm playing Magpies so I will pick to lose, Jacko was actually quiet pissed that he lost. After Murphys scores on the Friday night, and Lynch's score on Saturday, he said to me, there is no way you will beat me this week.
The problem I had with the Kangas was not Lucas at all, it was Lucas, Yze and a coupld of others that scored well previously, Archer was another. That was to tank, pure and simple. This is one player, and Jacko honestly thinks that Pattison is about to step up and play some pretty good football. Put simply, he is a Cats fan that gets very emotional about his footy, I can't have my kids in his house when Geelong are playing, because he yells and swears at the play. He hates Ottens, and I just rang him then, and he said that 45 is not good enough for a key position player, and reiterated that he dislikes him. He said that he will put him back in next week, based on his score, but feels that no one should tell him who he should pick, as he doesn't tell anyone else who to pick.
This case is not tanking, the Cats are vying for a position in the finals, and any bad coaching moves are just that at this stage.
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Apoligise for the score error -- RB, 11/07/06 6:00:02pm [1]
Had Pettifer at 70 instead of 67 which would have meant a draw.
After the discussion above the Q needed to be asked though.
The opinions on tanking seemed to revolve around team selection/balance & the majority favoured keeping it realistic by not supporting the demotion of "big name" players in some sort of form.Any guidline/rule needs to be applied to all teams, regardless of ladder position.
If dropping high scoring "big name" players for emotional reasons is deemed acceptable for 1 team then this should also apply to all teams/players regardless of ladder position.Also if you can drop 1 player on emotion then that can be extended to multiple players.
Team selection is probably to variable to be governed by rigid Rules but maybe at the end of the year a set of guidlines regarding balance/form/experience can be put together.
cheers RB
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Apoligise for the score error -- RB, 11/07/06 6:01:21pm [1]
Had Pettifer at 70 instead of 67 which would have meant a draw.
After the discussion above the Q needed to be asked though.
The opinions on tanking seemed to revolve around team selection/balance & the majority favoured keeping it realistic by not supporting the demotion of "big name" players in some sort of form.Any guidline/rule needs to be applied to all teams, regardless of ladder position.
If dropping high scoring "big name" players for emotional reasons is deemed acceptable for 1 team then this should also apply to all teams/players regardless of ladder position.Also if you can drop 1 player on emotion then that can be extended to multiple players.
Team selection is probably to variable to be governed by rigid Rules but maybe at the end of the year a set of guidlines regarding balance/form/experience can be put together.
cheers RB
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I agree with RB. -- Josh, 11/07/06 7:08:08pm [1]
Looking at that squad there is no way Ottens would have been dropped.
Now I take the point that he dropped Ottens due to reasons other than tanking, but this makes it almost impossible to regulate.
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Yes not liking a player is no excuse -- Walt, 12/07/06 10:22:35am [1]
We don't have the benefit of dropping players for disciplinary reasons a la Akermanis. Playing "the kids" is no excuse either because they play anyway.
The team had no recognised ruckman so Ottens should've been in it. It didn't make any difference so we shouldn't get too excited but fact is we want to stop the end of the season becoming farcical with teams colluding or going for draft picks. While we don't want to tell Jacko how to run his team (and I don't think we are), all comps have rules and you gotta follow them to avoid anarchy.
So next week I could drop Bradshaw because he's an inconsistant poonce (he scored over 150 last week) and go for the priority pick.
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I agree with RB. -- Josh, 11/07/06 7:10:53pm [1]
Looking at that squad there is no way Ottens would have been dropped.
Now I take the point that he dropped Ottens due to reasons other than tanking, but this makes it almost impossible to regulate.
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Happy for Ottens to be a Dawk -- Maxwell, 12/07/06 3:10:36pm [1]
Jason and Dermie would be happy for him to move to Waverly and be a Dawk.
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