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Date Posted: 12:23:00 10/28/07 Sun
Author: Oleander
Subject: Oops! I meant to add a little intro, but forgot! In this scene, Olivia has just asked John if he has ever been in love before, to which he answers yes.
In reply to: Oleander 's message, "QOTD FOR SUNDAY OCTOBER 28TH" on 12:20:55 10/28/07 Sun

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Verra intriguing, Oleander. I canna guess your theme yet, but I do love this unbearably brief exchange between John and Olivia. He could have stuck with social niceties, but instead gives her honesty -- the truth, though perhaps not the whole truth. In this case, he gives her the most honest answer it is possible for him to offer, without endangering himself and others. Do you think his use of the word "lover" had the same explicit sexual meaning that it does now? Even with Olivia assuming he's speaking of a woman, it suggests a wonderfully intimate frankness between them, for a man to speak so directly about a sexual relationship, to a female relative not his wife. (NT) --

pamelalass, 14:56:14 10/28/07 Sun

I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that to historically, one would refer to their other as a lover- in the same sense that historically, the phrase "to make love to" meant to woo or court. I think that the frank and/or sexual implication of the word as we use it now is a by product of the sexual revolution. (NT) -- Oleander, 15:28:20 10/28/07 Sun

This is what I was thinking -- it's more like saying "my loved one" or "the one I love" as opposed to "my bedmate," but then I got carried away thinking about what Olivia might assume anyway... *g* Wonderful quote! It captures such a world of pain in such a tiny number of words. (NT) -- pamelalass, 15:45:19 10/28/07 Sun
- The gift of Diana- capturing so much with so little. I do also like to imagine what Olivia thinks of John as a result of his revelation, and what meaning she takes from the simplicity of his words. (NT) -- Oleander, 20:17:41 10/28/07 Sun

No, "lover" meant a person to whom one had an attraction, rather than a sexual relationship. In some parts of England, local dialect used "my lover" to address anyone in a friendly way, not only people who *were* your lover. "Where are you off to, my lover?" Sort of the same way people might say, "pal," nowadays. Very regional usage, though. (NT) -- maddiej, 14:52:52 10/29/07 Mon

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