Jamie's hostility was what I expected. The ride to Helwater is one of those scenes that stuck with me. A journey of several days, nights in the same inn room, and Jamie never speaks a word to John because he is seething with rage and hatred. Not only has John separated him from his men, Jamie thinks John has willingly put him into slavery in a place where John can watch his humiliation. going long>>>> -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 18:18:59 09/10/07 Mon
Author: Carol P
Subject: Jamie's hostility was what I expected. The ride to Helwater is one of those scenes that stuck with me. A journey of several days, nights in the same inn room, and Jamie never speaks a word to John because he is seething with rage and hatred. Not only has John separated him from his men, Jamie thinks John has willingly put him into slavery in a place where John can watch his humiliation. going long>>>>
In reply to: tlk2vicki 's message, "Another interesting discussion down the page about the difference in tone and attitude between John and Jamie in Voyager and BOTB. It was running off the screen, so I thought I'd add my remarks up here. I wonder if Jamie sounds more hostile in BOTB because this is written from Lord John's point of view? Voyager was written from Jamie's POV, wouldn't you say? We all perceive specific events quite differently based on our individual history and emotions." on 06:15:26 09/10/07 Mon

Then John has the nerve to come and ask a favor? And not just any favor, but one which could be a trick to get evidence of Jamie's treasonous activities and thus result in not only Jamie's execution but the possible annihilation of Lallybroch and anyone else named by Jamie. Of course, Jamie know the Grey men are honorable, but it still surprised me that he did write to John, even in code. I think it must have taken several years of living a relatively calm life without being responsible for anyone else before Jamie could realize that hate and the lust for revenge, against BJR and all other English, would eventually destroy him if he didn't find a way to let go and forgive.

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The easing of Jamie's pain at the separation from everyone he loves, including the land of Scotland, was a beautiful thing to read. He even states later that he could appreciate what John gave him - horses, fresh air, and familiar work to do - this was the most freedom John could arrange at the time. I was glad that Jamie came to some sort of peace with the losses in his life that allowed him to go on. I was surprised a bit about how lost he was when he came back to Lallybroch, later. I'm wondering if something will happen in LJ and the Scottish Prisoner that will explain his sense of drifting upon his return. (NT) -- LissC, 18:35:25 09/10/07 Mon
- I think much of his feelings back at Lallybroch had to do with his sense of loss over Willie. I don't know if it alludes to it in the main books or not, but I imagine he may have been depressed. No Claire, No Willie, No Lairdship. That's one of the reasons I'm never angered at Jenny. She had to help him deal with all of this. (NT) -- Conmama, 05:32:47 09/11/07 Tue
  - True, I forgot about his grief over losing Willie... (NT) -- LissC, 14:17:29 09/11/07 Tue
  - Iwould have to say that Jamie not telling anyone about Willie, yet still so vividly grieving "something", is a strong force when J returns to Lallybroch. He is not the same man who went to Ardsmuir, and he takes some adjusting to. Ten years of things have happened that Lallybroch has no knowledge of. I am sure we could imagine how changed our sibling or child might be after an experience like this. It would be like being 20 and leaving home when your siblings are 8 or 9. Then coming back 10 years later to discover that they are now the age you were when you left. You still think of them as 8 or 9. In addition J has has all these experiences that he is NOT talking about. A moody stranger amonst your midst. (NT) -- Ellen P., 07:02:36 09/12/07 Wed

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