I agree. When we (most of us) finished the book, how many were completely flummoxed? How were Jaime and John ever to overcome their differences? I think that in many ways Diana is challenging us to see how similar these men are, how bound by the brotherhoods of the blade, of loyalty to family, of honour, they are. Following the coin theme above, we can see Jaime and John as opposite sides of a coin in a sense- alike in many respects but fundamentally different in others. Despite these differences, it is their very human relationship which transcends because they understand each other as men of honour, of men who have fought and led others. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 13:19:38 10/15/07 Mon
Author: Oleander
Subject: I agree. When we (most of us) finished the book, how many were completely flummoxed? How were Jaime and John ever to overcome their differences? I think that in many ways Diana is challenging us to see how similar these men are, how bound by the brotherhoods of the blade, of loyalty to family, of honour, they are. Following the coin theme above, we can see Jaime and John as opposite sides of a coin in a sense- alike in many respects but fundamentally different in others. Despite these differences, it is their very human relationship which transcends because they understand each other as men of honour, of men who have fought and led others.
In reply to: pamelalass 's message, "Oh yeah! Thanks for coming on over , Susie. I agree with Karen's take on it, that this scene, while similar, and, I think, a deliberate echo of DOA, also has strikingly different characteristics that keep me from thinking it's "old hat." The fact that John ends up delivering the killing "blow", standing in for the missing leg-puller, takes this to a different place, as do the more complicated undercurrents here, which Cathy suggested above. My big question here is whether this parallel scene is part of a deliberate strategy on DG's part to "show" us how John and Jamie are similar, in the same book where she has them at their most distant and hostile???? Anyone have thoughts?" on 10:01:56 10/15/07 Mon

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Bravo! You've articulated my inarticulate "co-mingled" themes! While I did not start out with this in mind, when I started to look for quotes that spoke to me of John's various "brotherhoods", and the double-edged sword of trust/risk that cuts across many of them, I just kept finding things that reminded me of Jamie. And, yes, I was struggling with the fact that BOTB has their friendship at such a nadir. I don't know if it is deliberate or not, but the fuller, richer portrait of John that we get in this book makes me see how many traits and values these two share, and it's an interesting paradox to see them driven farther apart while noticing a new level of "closeness." (NT) -- pamelalass, 15:49:38 10/15/07 Mon

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