Re: Geneva...Lord John has always been very close to the Dunsany family, mostly because of their son Gordon, who died at Culloden..so it was with great sympathy that John comes to Helwater for Geneva's funeral. I've never had the feeling that he was seriously attached to Geneva, but he was to the Dunsany family, who I am sure kept him apprised of Geneva's excellence as a horsewoman, fiery personality, etc. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 06:15:22 09/04/07 Tue
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teddie ()
Subject: Re: Geneva...Lord John has always been very close to the Dunsany family, mostly because of their son Gordon, who died at Culloden..so it was with great sympathy that John comes to Helwater for Geneva's funeral. I've never had the feeling that he was seriously attached to Geneva, but he was to the Dunsany family, who I am sure kept him apprised of Geneva's excellence as a horsewoman, fiery personality, etc.
In reply to: Oleander 's message, "ok, I am not doubting herself, but I am troubled. It seems in this book that LJG is very close to the Dunsany family- he seems pretty torn up when Geneva dies. But in Voyager, when he brings Jaime to Helwater, he states that be barely remembered her- she couldn't have lived more than two years after LJG brough Jaime- enough time to become seriously attached to her? And how does LJG end up marrying Isobel- he clearly states that since Hal has provided the future generations he won't be obligated to marry and all that...." on 19:05:21 09/03/07 Mon

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I think Lord John explained his reasoning pretty well in Voyager when he told Claire the story of the time he'd informed Jamie he was going to marry Isobel. (Page 931 in the paperback). Not just for Willie's sake but to help out Dunsany who was growing too old to run the estate. John didn't feel the two women could do it alone. He argued that there was a lot more to marriage than "carnal love". He did have affectionate feelings for Isobel and her family, they were well suited for each other socially, he had "proved his capacity" to make her an adequate husband. I thought it was pretty obvious that she worshiped him and would have been pleased to be his wife in any case. Of course, looking out for Willie and establishing a permanent link with Jamie might have been his true goal, but I don't think he hadn't thought through the moral and emotional obligations he'd have as Isobel's husband. (NT) -- Jane, 06:16:59 09/04/07 Tue

Yes, Jane, I agree. John is a gentleman and a decent person and provided an excellent way to help the Dunsany family (and himself, somewhere deep down) by marrying Isobel. (NT) --

teddie (), 06:21:02 09/04/07 Tue

But do you not think Isobeal was "cheated" by having just an "adequate" husband. What IS "adequate"? Of course, I am interjecting my own feelings into this. We all do - based on our own experiences. An "adequate" husband would not be enough for me. (NT) -- GwenM, 08:58:50 09/04/07 Tue

I don't think Isobel was cheated at all. Most marriages of the time were of convenience and business; not so frequently for love. Isobel made what would be considered a prudent match with Lord John, and Geneva's marriage to Ellesmere--definitely not for love, either. (NT) -- teddie, 09:35:48 09/04/07 Tue
- John was at least handsome and not SO much older than she was. I had the feeling that Isobel was in awe of him, perhaps even had a bit of a girlish crush. After all what would she know of sex? Women back then weren't expecting to enjoy it, pretty thought of it as "just doing their duty". The fact that he was sincere and thoughtful and above all a gentleman made her a very lucky woman indeed. Back then an adoring partner was a very rare thing. (NT) -- Jane, 15:34:33 09/04/07 Tue
  - You know...I'm not sure_I_ wouldn't take him, knowing what he is! I think he's wonderful, really. (NT) -- Conmama, 09:43:20 09/05/07 Wed
    - LMAO! I agree! I have a crush on him, regardless....sigh. (NT) -- Oleander, 14:48:34 09/05/07 Wed
Yes, I think Isobel was cheated ONLY if she went into the marriage unaware. Every decent person deserves a partner that adores them in all aspects. (NT) -- Conmama, 09:37:06 09/04/07 Tue
Isobel was 15 when Jamie came to Helwater - so, at her marriage to John she was 21 or so. Why wasn't she already married?? 21 is sort of old for those days. (NT) -- GwenM, 10:15:25 09/04/07 Tue
Oh, Gwen, Lord John has money, a good position and he surely wouldn't beat her. That's the definition of a good husband, no? (NT) -- Carol P, 10:34:13 09/06/07 Thu
- Weeeel - maybe for those 18th century English women. Certainly not for us 21st century American women. (NT) -- GwenM, 04:50:34 09/07/07 Fri

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