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Subject: Re: Red coats and ham!


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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 15:27:03 01/19/06 Thu
In reply to: Sue G. 's message, "Re: Red coats and ham!" on 08:46:22 01/19/06 Thu

Let me clarify that comment I made about the TV mini-series. I was referring to the fact that the TV mini-series were longer and could devote more time to telling the whole and complete story. The way I had it worded in the previous message made it sound like there had been a mini-series on TV for 'Hatter's Castle' (there was none..that I know of).

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Susan the Longwinded
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Date Posted: 04:54:48 01/20/06 Fri

Wow, looks like I'm going to get part of my wish ... I just looked on the IMDb to see which movie it was you saw, Lois, and noticed that there are not one but *two* TV movies about Blackbeard currently in the works! There's virtually no information about the one that was supposed to come out in the UK last year (as of November, it was still in production, and there's no cast listed), but the miniseries slated to air in the US this June looks interesting ... It features Richard Chamberlain as Governor Eden, and they've cast a Scottish actor I don't know in the title role: Angus Macfayden. Anybody familiar with his work? The only performance of his I think I've seen is as Robert the Bruce in "Braveheart." (Unfortunately, I can't remember much about it; I saw the movie on TV and was only half paying attention, as usual, but I imagine charisma would be a prerequisite for that sort of role.) He also played Bob's pal Richard Burton in a Liz Taylor biopic! But I see a mistake already: Stacy Keach plays Captain "James" Hornigold (Teach's mentor); his first name should be Benjamin! (At least they got Maynyard's first name right.) I'm not sure about the director, Kevin Connor. He recently directed "In the Beginning," which, if I recall correctly, was dreadfully dull, in spite of a stellar cast. Then again, he also directed "Space: 1999" (a little schlocky, but I used to love it) and (going even farther back, to 1973) "From Beyond the Grave," in which he got a particularly impressive performance from David Warner. (Then again, in the hundreds of film and TV appearances he's made, I've very *rarely* seen David Warner give what I thought was a poor performance, no matter who the director or how awful the material! But I digress ...) Meantime, the writer is a former CNN correspondent. Hope that means he's done his homework! :-) (I know, I'd better not set my expectations too high!)

Anyway, Lois, do you remember the name of the good version of Blackbeard that you saw? The only other one listed on the IMDb with Blackbeard in the title is indeed in B&W, but it's a silent short from 1911. Could that be it?

Sue, that line you quoted ("What faw? Ya hungry?") is the one that made me groan the loudest! (That and "For a man, most like.") But then, I think it's all in the delivery. Maybe it's just me,but William Bendix seems just so unbelievably out of place with that Brooklyn accent and his dumb-as-a-post, monotone delivery, it just completely takes me out of the story every time he opens his mouth. (He sounds like too many stereotypically stoopid cartoon characters I could list.) Maybe if Gilly had been given that line, it would've sounded funnier. (In fact, Skelton Knaggs is a real hoot in the film. Guess I'm partial to actors who'd rather err on the side of overacting than underplaying when it comes to scurvy cutthroats!) But, IMO, there's just *no* chemistry whatsoever between Newton and Bendix--their approaches couldn't be more opposite, with Bob acting his heart out and Bendix reacting to him like he's in some kind of trance!

BTW, I have nothing against a Brooklyn accent--I'm half Brooklynese myself. It just sounds totally out of place in a pirate movie (as it would, say, in a Western ... or as a British accent would sound on the Sopranos)!

Yup, I agree with you about not reading the book before you see the movie. I could cite so many examples. Although, as I've mentioned before, Jamaica Inn is one of those rare exceptions. Have you read it? I know Ilsa and Lois preferred the movie, but I read the book after seeing the movie and totally fell in love with it, to the point where I completely forgot the movie version till I saw it again about twenty years later. (True, it's a romance, but it's a great suspenseful adventure story as well. And Daphne du Maurier will make you fall in love with Cornwall.)

I agree that the problem is books can convey so much detail that would just make the movie too long, unless you made it into a miniseries. Then again, look at the 1985 Jamaica Inn miniseries--it was much more faithful to the book, but it actually seemed a bit too long. (Then again, even that version changed a few things from the book. In fact, I think the additions, like Jem arriving at the inn in a cage (???) were actually what made it drag.) Then again, the scenery is so gorgeous, it's hard to be bored.

On the other hand, I've seriously thought for a while now (especially with the last film!) that the Harry Potter books should be made into a miniseries to do them justice instead of trying to tell an 800-page story in 2 1/2 hours ... but I digress again. At least they're making Blackbeard into a mini--wouldn't it be great if it had the production values of the Horatio Hornblower series?! :-)

I checked my local library for "Man About a Dog," but, alas, they don't have it. :-( I wonder if it's still in print. But in case I manage to find a copy, just warn me of one thing before I read it: Is there any animal cruelty--worse than what almost happens in the movie?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Oops, one exeption (re: Jamaica Inn)


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Susan
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Date Posted: 05:22:00 01/20/06 Fri

I said I completely forgot the film version of JI after reading the book, but actually there was one (and only one) part of the movie that always stuck with me: Harry the Pedlar--even though in all those years (until I started the RN site) it never even occurred to me to find out the actor's name. (In fact, I only found out it was Emlyn Williams by accident, when captioning a photo from the film--I'd never heard of him before, but since then have became a huge fan. I've even been tempted many times to make a fansite about him.) I guess he was so perfect in the role that I never saw him as an actor--only as the character! Watching it again now, I see his performance as just the right level of over-the-top--he had the intensity that Joss should have had but didn't because he was constantly in the Squire's shadow. (In the book, Joss was more menacing, while the *real* villain lurked in the shadows until the very end.) Anyway, I was surprised Ilsa and Lois didn't like Emlyn in it! (And I see by your review you weren't crazy about him in Hatter's Castle either. Neither was I, but for me it was because he played a complete jerk just a little too well, not because he was miscast. I take it he's not among your favorite actors?)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Emlyn Williams


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Lois
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Date Posted: 10:01:47 01/24/06 Tue

Oh no no no! You misunderstand!

Ilsa and I LOVE Emlyn Williams!

In "Jamaica Inn" he dresssed as silly as everyone else - I mean he looks very camp doesn't he? - and he is hilarious! As for Hatter's Castle: he is a scream in the fast talking scenes where he mainupulates everyone - but he (again) is far too camp to be seducing anyone - and as for being an ex-lover of Nancy's! Ahem! Not really!

You should do a little page on him!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Emlyn Williams


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Susan
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Date Posted: 01:52:22 01/25/06 Wed

Good to know you both love Emlyn Williams! He seemed to relish playing campy villains--which I guess I'm a sucker for, depending on the actor, of course. What did you think of his Caligula? I soooo wish they had finished that movie--he'd have been so good in it. In the documentary footage, I get such a kick out of the scene where he decides to fix up Charles Laughton and Merle Oberon, then goes into a fit of diabolical laughter. He's laughing so hard, he looks like he's going to bust a gut, till the director says cut, and he snaps immediately back out of character, looking completely staid and serious. Now that's acting!

There's already a nice page about him on the BBC website:
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/arts/emlyn_williams.shtml,">http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/arts/emlyn_williams.shtml,</a> but it's a little short on photos. I'd love to make a site about him, but maintaining the sites I have already takes up so much time, I don't know how I could keep up with another one. (BTW, would you believe this site started out as "just a little page," and look what became of it.) Besides, unlike the other actors I've made pages about, I dread having to write a bio on Emlyn Williams because there's just *too much* information about him to distill into a simple website! (He wrote two autobiographies and only got up to 1935--plus I have two other bios about him. The *only* thing I can't seem to find out about him is how he got along with Bob. Obviously, they worked well together, but I don't find any evidence that ever associated off the set, although Emlyn was mentor to Bob's friend Richard Burton, who was also good friends with Emlyn's son Brook.) One thing that would be nice to have though: a good forum to talk about his work! (I tried starting one on the IMDb, but didn't have much success there.)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Emlyn Williams


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Lois
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Date Posted: 07:53:27 01/26/06 Thu

A new thread for EMLYN WILLIAMS

SUSAN WROTE:

Good to know you both love Emlyn Williams! He seemed to relish playing campy villains--which I guess I'm a sucker for, depending on the actor, of course. What did you think of his Caligula? I soooo wish they had finished that movie--he'd have been so good in it. In the documentary footage, I get such a kick out of the scene where he decides to fix up Charles Laughton and Merle Oberon, then goes into a fit of diabolical laughter. He's laughing so hard, he looks like he's going to bust a gut, till the director says cut, and he snaps immediately back out of character, looking completely staid and serious. Now that's acting!

There's already a nice page about him on the BBC website:
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/arts/emlyn_williams.shtml,">http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/arts/emlyn_williams.shtml,</a> but it's a little short on photos. I'd love to make a site about him, but maintaining the sites I have already takes up so much time, I don't know how I could keep up with another one. (BTW, would you believe this site started out as "just a little page," and look what became of it.) Besides, unlike the other actors I've made pages about, I dread having to write a bio on Emlyn Williams because there's just *too much* information about him to distill into a simple website! (He wrote two autobiographies and only got up to 1935--plus I have two other bios about him. The *only* thing I can't seem to find out about him is how he got along with Bob. Obviously, they worked well together, but I don't find any evidence that ever associated off the set, although Emlyn was mentor to Bob's friend Richard Burton, who was also good friends with Emlyn's son Brook.) One thing that would be nice to have though: a good forum to talk about his work! (I tried starting one on the IMDb, but didn't have much success there.)

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Lois
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Date Posted: 08:07:56 01/26/06 Thu

Emlyn can be discussed on here! After all he is connected to Bob and anything connected to Bob is fair game for this forum.

I would love to have seen "I Claudius" completed - what a stunning film that would have been. Of course it would never have been a box office success and I guess Korda knew that and that's why he pulled the plug. A work of art, a magnificent piece of acting from Laughton and a cast of talented actors, but it was way ahead of its time - twenty years later and it would have been perfecting timing!

The film desperately needed von Sternberg and Laughton because it is their particular genius that makes the clips so beautiful. That lighting and composition and isn't Laughton simply perfect as the stuttering 'fool' who is nobody's fool!

Emlyn Williams as Caligula - ahh, how perfect. Perfect for that campy, over-the-top, evil meglomanic that was desperately trying to get out! Ha ha ha!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Red coats and ham!


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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 08:46:05 01/20/06 Fri

I also saw the two Blackbeard's in production out at the IMDb database. Isn't it ironic that Blackbeard had been the main topic on this Website now for several weeks and none of us knew about new movies in production? We all must have had a 'feeling' something was coming along (I still will always regard RN as Blackbeard, though!).
I have read Jamaica Inn but many years ago. I was a big fan of Daphne DuMaurier in HS & read many of her books. I must say that I cannot remember much of the book now, but this gives me an excuse to read it again. Actually, I did re-read a DuMaurier book last year, 'The House on the Strand', and it has renewed my interest in her books. One of her books that I have always liked, even better than JI, is 'Frenchman's Creek'. Have you ever read it? It's about a pirate!!! There was also a movie made in 1944 (I already looked in the IMDb database) starring Joan Fontaine and Auturo deCordova and apparently a remake for TV in 1998. I will have to re-read that book too.
I like Emlyn Williams in both JI and Hatter's Castle, but the characer he played in HC is a totally different one than the one in the book. The book's character was a much more sympathetic and likeable person (that's what I mean by changing the characters and the story from the book). However, Emlyn Williams was probably better as a 'dastardly villain' so they decided to change the script to make him more 'interesting'.
'Man About A Dog' is out of print so I had to get a used copy. Seeing the movie piqued my interest & I had to get the book (knowing that books are more detailed). But, to answer your question, yes, there is more animal (and human) abuse in the book than the movie. However, no details are described on how 'things' are done!! I've noticed the books from that generation don't go into 'gory' details but the thought is still there!
And I will leave you with that thought (just a little humor)!

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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 12:05:11 01/20/06 Fri

BTW..... 'A Man About a Dog' was the title published in England. The book was apparently known as 'Over The Line' here in the states and it was written by Alec Coppel. So we have two movie titles: 'Obsession' and 'The Hidden Room' and two book titles: 'A Man About a Dog' and 'Over The Line'. How is that for confusion? Just in case you want to check to library again try for 'Over the Line'.

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Susan
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Date Posted: 14:26:06 01/20/06 Fri

Alas, the only Alec Coppel items owned by our entire county library system are "The Gazebo: a play in two acts" and the movie "Vertigo," for which he wrote the screenplay. Wow, so many titles for that story--which one do you think is most appropriate? (Hmm, "Over the Line" is kind of interesting if you think about the story!)

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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 09:23:41 01/24/06 Tue

'Over the Line' certainly fit in with both the book and the film. However, 'Man About a Dog' had a catch to it also because that was how the inspector was first introduced in the story (looking for Storm's dog). I wonder why they felt the need in many instances to change the title of a film from that of the book it was based on? And why films (and books) titles were changed from one country to another (Obsession in the UK, The Hidden Room in the US...Man About a Dog in the UK and Over the Line in the US..it can get confusing).
Some day we will have to start a discussion on this film. For instance,have you ever thought how in the world he kept a person chained up in a room (I guess it was a bomb shelter left from the war) for months and no one ever heard a thing. Clive had to have visited that place a couple of times a day to keep Bill fed. No one ever caught on to him 'slipping away' every day, including weekends, with food. Another thing, if Bill had used his head, he could have feigned illness to get Clive near him so he could overtake him.In fact, why he didn't get ill living in a damp basement for months (with no heat, from the looks of it), is a little puzzling.
And you're right, Susan, why didn't Clive just kill Storm? However,that would not make for as good a move as this was. I was never sure if Clive really loved Storm or he was just bent on revenge for her numerous affairs because he felt betrayed.
These are just some 'observations' about the film that I thought might spark up some conversation.
It is still one of my favorite RN films. And I think he looks 'good' in it!

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