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Subject: Chicago Tribune review


Author:
Susan
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Date Posted: 21:46:30 07/10/03 Thu
In reply to: Susan 's message, "Pirates of the Caribbean" on 21:21:16 07/10/03 Thu

Desperate for some commentary, I found this Chicago Tribune review online:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/movies/mmx-030708movies-review-mw-pirates.story">http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/movies/mmx-030708movies-review-mw-pirates.story</a>

Here's an excerpt:

"Can you honestly expect a movie designed, at least partly, to act as a promotion for a theme park ride to follow in the grand footsteps of Doug Fairbanks' Black Pirate, Errol Flynn's Capt. Blood or Robert Newton's "yaaaar-ing" Long John Silver in Disney's 1950 _Treasure Island_?"

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[> [> Subject: My review


Author:
Susan
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Date Posted: 01:55:29 07/14/03 Mon

Just saw the movie tonight. (Am I the only one here who's seen it yet?) I thought it was pretty good overall, and I really enjoyed the extended ride. They really paid attention to detail, making you feel like you're really in the 1720s Caribbean--apart from a few inaccuracies that jumped out at me (only because I've done way too much reading about pirates) ... For example, they seemed pretty liberal with the candles aboard the ships, even in rough seas, when, in real life, fire aboard a ship was a constant hazard and was very carefully controlled. (Smoking was forbidden for that reason.) Also, even though it's repeatedly acknowledged that women were "bad luck" aboard pirate ships, not only is a female prisoner taken, but one crew has an undisguised female crew member. It seems unlikely that there would be not one but *two* pirate ships with women aboard in the same vicinity. (That was usually part of the ship's articles, but another thing that surprised me was all the talk about the "pirate's code" and the right to parlay, which says prisoners were always allowed to speak to the captain before being executed. I'm surprised I've never run across the concept in all my reading about pirates. I thought each individual pirate ship had its own rules, not that they all belonged to some sort of pirate federation.) I've also read that they usually didn't refer to themselves as "pirates," which not only had negative connotations but could put them in danger of being hanged if overheard.

The movie was kinda long (2 hours and 10 minutes, plus credits), but, unlike some reviewers, I didn't think it was too long. The story kept moving--although, maybe it's just me, but I did find the plot difficult to follow in a few places. (For example, toward the end, with three different crews, it was hard to keep track of who was aboard which ship and how they got there--seems like everyone kept changing places!).

Also, it was sometimes difficult to understand the dialog--and it was usually the punchlines/snappy comebacks that I missed! Johnny Depp's character, Captain Jack Sparrow, is supposed to be slightly mad, but often his excentricities consisted of just slurring his speech a lot. (It didn't help that the sound seemed to be muffled.) Otherwise, I thought he was pretty good. His character is a lot like Long John Silver--beguiling, clever, and always on whichever side can benefit him. He gets a lot of his fashion sense from Blackbeard. (They never do explain where the eyeliner comes from!) And there's a little bit of Errol Flynn thrown in, with all the swashbuckling and derring-do.

As the romantic lead, I thought Orlando Bloom suffered from a severe lack of charisma, and the female lead, Keira Knightley, seemed a little too delicate to be convincing as the rebellious and resourceful heroine.

My favorite, of course, was the villainous Captain Barbossa, played by Geoffrey Rush, the character most influenced by Robert Newton. My only complaint was that he was too restrained! He could have been a bit more colorful in more ways than one (not only was there too much grey in the night-time scenes, but the lack of contrast made it hard to see what was going on at times). IMHO, he should have been more over the top or at least gotten a lot more screen time. His were by far the most interesting scenes.

In an obvious homage to Robert Newton, Rush actually gets to utter the "Arr" word once (the only occurrence in the film)--and often seems to be straining to avoid using it more liberally! Overall, he could've been a lot more dastardly, especially since, unfortunately, I doubt we'll be seeing him in the sequel.

In short, I'd have liked to have seen a *lot* more of Geoffrey Rush Versus Johnny Depp and much less of Orlando Loves Keira.

Other than that, there was *lots* of great swashbuckling, and, if you're a fan of the ride that started it all (inspired by the 1950 film that started it all, naturally!), you'll get a kick out of seeing some of its scenes acted out by live actors, and keep your ears open for some its memorable lines. ("Strike yer colors, ye bloomin' cockeroaches!" Barbossa yells. Etc. They even sing the "Yo Ho Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life for Me" song a couple of times.) Also, I thought the music (by Hans Zimmer) was awesome.

BTW, be sure to sit back and enjoy the music till the credits are over so you can catch the *real* ending of the movie! (Yes, there are rewards for us compulsive credit watchers.)

Overall, I'd give it an 8 out of 10.

OK, your turn ... I'm dying to know what other RN fans thought of it.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: My review


Author:
ChuckC
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Date Posted: 03:57:11 07/15/03 Tue

I enjoyed the movie, Johnny Depp was my favorite
in the movie. I read that he modeled his character main
influence was Keith Richards. I thought his character
was alot of fun, & a bit differrent then the classic
pirate. The love story was only so-so, I thought
the lead actress had more chemistry with Johnny
Depp. Captain Barbossa was good, but like you said, he
could of been more villainous.
Overall I still think the film was excellent,
the love story wasn't realy the main point of the movie
anyways. I thought the story was good & there was
alot of action. Id also give it an 8 out of 10. Most
of the reviews I have read were positive.

Chuck

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: My review


Author:
Tage
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Date Posted: 10:42:54 10/19/03 Sun

i loved it, but i didn't know there was anything at the end of the credits?!!
*moan* dammit!!
could u email me, tell me about it? either that or i have to wait for it to come out on video, or go see it again.
please? *beg*

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: My review ***SPOILER***


Author:
ChuckC
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Date Posted: 02:37:44 10/23/03 Thu

Its been q while since I've seen it so I
hope I have this right, the monkey steals another
Gold Coin & turns in to skeleton.

Chuck

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Credits (major spoilers ... continued)


Author:
Susan
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Date Posted: 15:29:10 10/31/03 Fri

Warning: If you haven't seen the movie/credits yet and don't want to know what happens beforehand, skip over this message!

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Yes, it starts with a shot of Captain Barbossa lying dead on top of the treasure. The camera pans back, and you see the monkey swimming through the water towards what you assume is his master ... But as he emerges from the water, he greedily grabs a piece of the treasure ... and turns back into a skeleton, presumably reinstating the curse. Then he turns to the camera and, opening his mouth to reveal his sharp fangs, lunges at us ... and all goes dark. Really cool.

I was glad they added the extra scene because, as the credits started to roll, I had been wondering what had happened to the monkey. Of course, you saw him fall overboard during last battle, but that didn't *necessarily* mean he drowned! His "death" seemed a little anticlimactic, but I thought it was just an oversight until the surprise ending came on.

Of course, now I'm dying to see the sequel to find out how they're going to bring Barbossa back, cuz I'm going to be really upset if they don't! Geoffrey Rush was really the best part of the movie for me. (Unfortunately, it seems logical that, if he was killed while the curse was off, he would stay dead. But I hope the Disney magicians will find a way around that!)

Anyway, the moral of the story is always watch the credits! :-) Quite a few movies tack on extras at the end. Austin Powers and Time Bandits also come to mind as good examples of that. (Not only that, but you get to see who played whom, who did the music, where it was filmed, etc.) I can't imagine not watching credits. In fact, I get really angry when I'm watching something on TV and they squish the credits to the side so you can't even read them while they run a commercial for some other show ... while the announcer talks over the theme music. Arrrrr!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Rewards for credit watchers ... one more


Author:
Susan
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Date Posted: 15:32:32 10/31/03 Fri

Just thought of another one you may have missed if you left before the credits were over ... Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. (Had you been wondering whatever became of Kenneth Branagh's character??)

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[> [> Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune review


Author:
Trisha
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Date Posted: 23:49:05 07/15/03 Tue

Hi everyone!

I saw POTC this afternoon and loved it! To me, I remained interested throughout the film, despite its length. I think Disney pulled off a wonderful, swashbuckling film that has long been overdue.

I was particularly impressed by Geoffrey Rush as Captain Barbossa. I've seen him in films before, but I was skeptical about his current role as an evil pirate. Susan, I agree, he was one of my favorites in this movie and I most certainly picked up on his Newton imitation "arrgh", lol.

For those of you that were debating on seeing the film, I would say it is a "must-see." It is fun and action-packed. The sword-fighting, detailed props, and special effects are great. I'm thinking about going to see it again and will be waiting for the DVD to come out.

"Yo-ho, yo-ho, a pirate's life for me!"

Your friend,
Trisha :)

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[> [> Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune review


Author:
Susan
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Date Posted: 21:48:17 07/20/03 Sun

Chuck wrote:

"the love story wasn't realy the main point of the movie
anyways."

I thought the love story was integral to the plot, so even when it wasn't "center stage," it was still the reason for what was going on. I guess less of the love story wasn't exactly what I meant, but rather that what it really needed was two actors with more personality/chemistry!

I'm curious, did anyone besides me find the plot hard to follow at times? (I guess, like Trisha, I'm just going to have to see it again!)

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[> [> Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune review


Author:
~Trisha~
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Date Posted: 22:04:00 08/08/03 Fri

Hi everyone!

I love this movie so much that my hubby and I just saw it again today, lol. Btw, we stayed and watched the "extra" clip at the end of the credits. Thanks Susan for the tip! :)

Your friend,
~Trisha~ :)

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