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Date Posted: 05:59:49 04/09/05 Sat
Author: Frank
Subject: Quality Music
What makes quality music? Is it what you can teach from it? Does it have to be a challenge to out students? Can pop music be quality music? How about music from movies?
WHAT MAKES QUALITY MUSIC?
(I have my own idea, I just want to see what people will say.)
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Re: Quality Music -- Lindsay, 10:36:45 04/09/05 Sat [1]
This is what I was trying to get people to discuss on the pop music thread. :)
Anyway, I think that quality music is determined by what you can get out of it. If music means something to you, or you can learn something from it, I think it's quality music. Quality music does not necessarily mean it's likeable music. In fact, there's a lot of music out there that I really don't like at all, but I still think it can be quality. (Ahem, New Music Festival....) But this is a very subjective, and is going to be different for every person. How much do you have to be able to get out of music for it to be quality? What kinds of things can you get out of music at all, and do they make quality music, or does it just make you like it and not necessarily make it quality?
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Re: Quality Music -- Heather Gosche, 18:59:48 04/10/05 Sun [1]
What a great discussion!
We are teachers and teaching is our number one priority for our students. We must be sure that when we have students sing or play music, that we are using it as a learning tool rather than a performance piece. Quality music is most definately determined by what can be taught through the study of the piece!
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Re: Quality Music -- Frank, 08:50:25 04/12/05 Tue [1]
And how do we, as music educators, determine what can be taught through the study of a piece?
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Just to put it on top. -- Frank, 15:32:49 04/15/05 Fri [1]
OK I get it. You don't want to talk about what makes quality music.
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Re: Just to put it on top. -- Cheryl Bolton, 07:01:57 02/09/06 Thu [1]
Quality music is music that evokes an emotional response in you. This response can be good or not. Though most of us would rather that the response be good. It is the music that can take your mind out of your body and send it to where ever the composer wants to send it. It is the music you listen to over and over and over and over and over again, just to get that feeling.
When we study the music, this is the aspect of the music that we want to discuss with our classmates and instructors. We want to discover how the composer did whatever he did that "sends us", so we can learn to do it too.
This is why my favorite class is theory. I listen to a piece.
I want to know:
How the composer did it.
What he did to make it change/move/work.
Why does it work "this way" and not "that way"?
All the ins and outs of the creating process that makes a work of art that can "send" the listener.
When we teach, the appreciation and understanding of this aspect of music is what we want to instill in our students.
Oh my, is that high-brow or what???
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Re: Quality Music -- Nickie, 12:17:52 04/12/05 Tue [1]
I know this may sound insane, but I think you could teach something from any piece of music at all. If it's music, then I think there is something to be learned from it.
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Re: Quality Music -- Chad, 18:48:31 04/27/05 Wed [1]
Quality music is that which directly incorporates aesthetic awareness and technical sophistication within a piece. Overall, it varies from person to person, but within the realm of understanding, there is a priority to strive for perfection. Music can be aesthetic and simple, or it can be difficult, it depends heavilly on your education and past experiences with music. Personally I believe that a Mozart Symphony or Bach Cantata has more value than that of a 'Pop' nature. There are exceptions to the rules but overall it depends on your past experiences with music. The one type of music that I would tend to avoid would be Contemporary 20th Century Composition. It is hard to decipher the aura behind the chromaticism.
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Re: Quality Music -- Hayley, 15:59:47 05/07/05 Sat [1]
I think that quality music is something that you can learn something from.
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Re: Quality Music -- Laura, 15:12:46 01/23/06 Mon [1]
For music to be considered quality music it doesn't have to be something extremly difficult. If you can use a piece of music to teach important principals to your band, orchestra, or choir I think that in itself makes quality music. However, if you don't keep your music challenging enough the performers will become bored with it. In high school, my band director was huge on marching band and I felt like that's all we ever played. I didn't learn as much as I could have because we didn't play challenging enough music. That's something to keep in mind too.
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Re: Quality Music -- Molly, 15:26:13 02/06/06 Mon [1]
I couldn't agree more. This kind of question is rather personal. It's like the question of "what is music?" There is no solid answer. What one person considers to be good quality music another could see as complete and utter trash. It's all a matter of opinion. When it comes to teaching the music, I believe that something (anything...) can be learned from each and every piece of music read.
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Re: Quality Music -- Cheryl, 17:00:52 02/27/06 Mon [1]
OFF THE SUBJECT A LITTLE
Marching band music can be quite difficult, it depends upon what piece you are playing.
Our orchestra director would take orchestral pieces and arrange them for our band to march.
We marched to Russian Sailor's Dance, 3rd mvmt 4th symphony Brahmms, Firebird Suite, and Saint-Saens Organ Symphony in c minor to name a few.
So, difficulty depends upon the music given to you.
back on subject.
With this as an example of music to play/listen to, this is where I get my ideas of quality music.
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Re: Quality Music -- Kimberly, 13:32:24 02/05/06 Sun [1]
I don't think this is really a valid question. Music is too subjective to label as "good quality" or "bad quality." It's like labeling an artist's painting - it can't be done. True, I don't always see the logic in a modern piece of art, but I don't think it's about logic. It's about how it makes you feel, how the artist (or composer) felt while making it, what led him or her to choose the colors (or tone colors) he or she did? While I am completely moved both by Van Gogh's Starry Night painting and by Chopin's Etude in E Major, someone else may be bored with both. Music is not about "quality," rather it is about emotions and passion.
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Re: Quality Music -- Dr. O., 09:46:21 02/09/06 Thu [1]
This is a good topic and an interesting discussion; I don't really disagree with anything you've said, but I want to frame the conversation in a slightly different way. I'll grant that students can learn something about music from any piece they play. However, isn't this a dangerous argument? Couldn't the same be said for other academic disciplines as well? For example, why not just read comic books in English/Literature classes? Certainly students can learn SOMETHING from reading comics. It's probably impossible to develop a list of criteria which separate good music from lesser music, as some of you have noted. However, it seems to me that as educators it's our job to try to make that identification, at least according to our own standards, and to program high quality music for our students. Our instructional time with them is so limited that we need to make the absolute most of it. Would you agree that there is more to learn from quality music than from more pedestrian music? I'l be interested in reading your thoughts about it.
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Re: Quality Music -- Benjamin Lupo, 19:25:24 02/09/06 Thu [1]
This could be a dangerous argument. I do think that this argument does bring up some good points though. We don't expect and probably wouldn't approve of having comic book reading assigned as to our children. Here are my criteria (as they stand now) for selecting quality music for my future students:
1) It must be enjoyable and challenging for my students
2) It must be performable using proper vocal technique (unfortunately, it may keep me from performing some Tuvan Throat-Singing...)
3) It should not be so challenging that it is unplayable
4) It should lend itself to student growth (personally and musically) through its practice and performance
The music in a concert should represent a variety of styles in order to keep students from getting stylistic burn-out and give them tools they can use to become well-rounded musicians. These are some of my criteria for what I deem good music for educational use. In order for me to select a piece of music (in good conscience) for use in a classroom, it has to meet these criteria. Now what these criteria will be four years from now... :)
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Re: Quality Music -- Kimberly, 18:14:09 02/13/06 Mon [1]
Great response, Ben Lupo. :) I do see how some musical selections would be more appropriate than others for teaching students specified techniques. I just hesitate at using the word "quality" for it. Ben's list of criteria is certainly admirable, but I'd like to refer to the music more along the lines of "learning effective" or something with the same idea...
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Re: Quality Music -- Cory, 08:36:05 03/01/06 Wed [1]
I think Kim makes a great point. Although other than being learning effective I think students also need to be able to relate to it. I think giving eight graders a song about a passionate lost love would be folly because they have no way of relating to what that feels like. In a way we have to select music that will reflect the life experiences of our students as well as being able to teach from the music.
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