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Date Posted: 19:11:08 04/17/07 Tue
Author: Amanda Chaney
Subject: Sports and needing easy A art's credit

Do you think that there should be an ensemble for students who live for their sport and only need an easy A to satisfy their arts credit? Should you make students who care about the music making and try to produce the best ensemble sound they can? What should you do when a coach comes to and asks you to pass their athlete even if that student doesn't deserve a passing grade?

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[> Re: Sports and needing easy A art's credit -- Honoree Pouly, 15:08:46 04/22/07 Sun [1]

I do not think that there should necessarily be an ensemble for students who just want to get their credit and move on. I think that to be in ensemble requires a lot of discipline and willingness to work together. If the ensemble consists of a group that does not want to be there, nothing will be accomplished and it will be a waste. When asked to pass a student when they do not deserve it�. I think that no matter what the situation this is a no brainer: If they don�t deserve it, they don�t pass. Courses that are geared more toward students just getting their credit should be an overview of music as a whole. The students should have some experience going to concert and understanding some of the history of music as well as its impact on society. I feel that this would not be too hard for a student to pass if they just did their work

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[> Re: Sports and needing easy A art's credit -- Beth G., 07:34:06 04/28/07 Sat [1]

I don't think that there should be an ensemble for students who just need to satisfy their arts credit. They won't want to work. In high school, those students who weren't into music, took art classes to get credit.

If the student does not deserve the grade, then they don't get the passing grade. It is the coach and the student's problem if they can't play in the next game because they failed a class.

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[> Re: Sports and needing easy A art's credit -- Emma, 12:26:46 04/28/07 Sat [1]

I agree with Honoree that there shouldnt be a separate ensemble just for students needing to satisfy their gym credit. There arent enough students in high school that are interested in band to begin with, atleast in my high school. If a coach should come to me and ask me to pass the student you say no becuase acedemics come before sports and if they dont work in the class they wont pass the class, just like if they dont show to practice they wont play.

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[> Re: Sports and needing easy A art's credit -- Jessalyn, 11:05:47 05/01/07 Tue [1]

Just because you are a music teacher doesnt mean your class is any less important then any other. That coach needs to realize that his student is also yours- and if he expects the child to work, you also expect him to work. I dont think it should be an easy A class- but maybe a class geared towards music throughout history, or a focus on a type of music. Maybe not so much as performing? I remember in higschool there were people in choir for an easy A and it made me mad because i cared about it.

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[> Re: Sports and needing easy A art's credit -- Jayme Orians, 08:03:14 05/02/07 Wed [1]

I don't think athletes should get special treatment just to get an "easy" A. If they are required to get an arts credit, it is because it is expected of them to have some knowledge of the arts. Do music teachers go and ask coaches to give music students passing grades in gym?? Or ask them to give them a starting position on the field?? I feel that it is simply rediculous for a coach to even ask a teacher to pass a student who doesn't deserve to pass just because they're an athlete.

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[> Re: Sports and needing easy A art's credit -- Amanda Jasko, 16:44:36 05/08/07 Tue [1]

There should not be an ensemble for students who need an easy arts credit. That isn't fair to the students who devote so much time, energy and caring in what they do. Music should not be seen as some blow off thing that can get you an easy A. Also, if a student doesn't get a passing grade, than it shouldn't be changed. Again, it's not fair to the students who try so hard and don't get good grades. Just because you play a sport, it doesn't mean that you are better than anyone else.

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[> Re: Sports and needing easy A art's credit -- Brian B, 17:42:25 05/08/07 Tue [1]

Jessalyns point is a very important one. That student is is your and every other teacher that has that student in class. What a lot of sports programs dont understand is that sports should be about a students ability to excell. In some sports what is important could be an individual excellence; however, in many team sports excellence can only be acheived by physical AND mental ability. When sports are affiliated with schools, it also becomes about how well the player can excell as a player AND a student. As a coach of a school affiliated sport, this would be one of the first things I would address, and if there were ever problems with acertain student, it is not the music teacher or the english teachers respincibility to cover up a students inability to balance schoolwork and sports.

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