"Glad All Over" -- For fans of the Dave Clark Five
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RIP, Michael George Smith,
Dec. 6, 1943 to Feb. 28, 2008.
One of the greatest voices in rock 'n' roll has been silenced. Thank you, Mike, for the memories and the music and the pure joy of "Glad All Over."
RIP, Denis West Payton
Aug. 11, 1943 to Dec. 17, 2006.
Thanks, Denis. We'll always remember.
PHOTO: That's Bobby Graham, the late, great session player whose distinctive drum sound helped make the Dave Clark Five's hits so memorable.
- Can you believe this? -- Vic, 04:47:56 01/29/10 Fri [1]
The DC5 is long forgotten to most of the world, but the intrigue surrounding this "good time" group remains, and is nothing short of amazing.
The exhaustively-researched "Bits and Pieces" website, it seems, has been effectively hijacked from its creator, John Briggs. His US-based partner seems to be under the powerful influence of a certain controlling 1960s pop star who remains very protective of his image all these years later.
Bottom line: John, who has done more DC5 research and fact-finding than anyone, is now shut out of his site and has no access to the files he created. Why? Because his partner may be star struck and following directions that come from another continent.
Hmm, wonder if this has anything to do with a recently-published interview John conducted with Ron Ryan detailing how some of the early DC5 hits came to be written? Seems the credits we've seen on the records for 46 years don't accurately detail who actually wrote those songs. Imagine that.
Ah, the intrigue goes on long after the music ended.
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- Itunes Albums -- Jason, 02:21:12 02/03/10 Wed [1]
It's great to see the DC5 albums finally being remastered and released even though they are only as downloads.
We have all noticed the odd track listings on the three albums such as certain tracks missing from both Glad All Over and Return. Makes me wonder what tracks will be on the other albums.
"Crying Over You" is now on the Glad All Over album, so this means that the Coast To Coast album will be missing a track. "Thinking Of You Baby" is now on the Return album which means You Got What It Takes album will be a track short. So, what next?
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- DC5 USA Page Shutting Down -- Jeff, 02:40:41 02/01/10 Mon [1]
Looks like we're losing the DC5 USA page, see below. They say it's due to lack of readership.
http://www.theboltons.net/DC5main.htm
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- who's the falsetto? -- Joe De, 17:50:07 02/04/10 Thu [1]
Hi! I,m new! Been looking for this info source for 46 years! Who's the falsetto on (let's start with the 1st American album)Stay,Do you love me?,I know you,No time to lose,Doo Dah,& She's all mine? By the way,alot of good songs in that list, Mr. Ryan!
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- The DC5 album releases -- Termite Johnny, 14:16:34 01/25/10 Mon [1]
Okay..............it's been over a month since the last release of "The Ballads". I thought each album was to be released once a month.
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- They're here -- Brian, 06:00:40 02/03/10 Wed [1]
http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/the-dave-clark-five/id128622259
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- Bon Jovi Covers *Glad All Over* -- Gerry, 14:22:24 02/01/10 Mon [1]
I've posted this in the YAHOO DC5 group... thought it was worth a multiple posting.
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Here are a few live concert performances where fans videoed Bon Jovi covering GAO... The Philly one was about the time of the R&RHoF induction and Mike's Death, the Dallas one a little while later... but the MSG one is a few months later, and the last one from Vancouver is actually a few months before. I don't know if it is/was on their regular play-list or not.
Bon Jovi is one of the 'younger' generation groups that I enjoy... although I really don't know if that can be said about them any longer, as they are getting up there in years also.
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Here are the URLs from 3/3/08 in Philly at the Wachovia Center:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTThNUsrkAQ
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Here is one for NYC's Madison Square Garden 7/15/08:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxFbUxXwGNQ
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Another one from Dallas Texas 4/14/08:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BICHAF2TDao
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Finally one from Vancouver, BC, 12/15/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8hk89MklWs
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It seems that they are opening numbers... they are high energy performances that JBJ seems to be enjoying, and the crowds are into them... But, being an opening number may have a bit to do with the crowd reactions. Sorry for the amateur quality, but we have what we have... I wish we had some for the DC5 from back in the day ((sigh)).
Gerry
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- The jammy Dodgers -- Termite Johnny, 06:55:11 02/01/10 Mon [1]
Maybe a tour of the States.
http://www.benditlikebazza.co.uk/dodgers.htm
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- An open letter to GB. -- Ron Ryan., 00:26:48 01/22/10 Fri [8]
Hello Gary I seem to remember last year that I said on this board that my story was coming out in print soon. You said said something like 'I'll believe it when I see it'. Well if you buy, beg, borrow or steal the latest issue of 'Ugly Things' magazine (#29) my story is in there!! so it looks like Hell has frozen. I wish you well mate, Ron.
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- Risk Management -- Gerry, 13:20:24 01/22/10 Fri [20]
First off, allow me to preface this by saying that I am very new to this site... but am in awe with the quality and knowledge on this forum, I am loving it already.
... Assuming the role of the Devil's advocate, and in all fairness I'd like to bring up a counter-view for discussion on Dave Clark's almost total control of the DC5. First off it should be stated that the DC5 became what they became largely due to the actions of DC... The musical talents that were totally necessary for the group to succeed were not with Dave; to me Mike was the driving force, but not the lone talent in the five+... We all may be able to agree that many a great talent was never to become successful due to circumstances that did not line up, or doors that were never opened, or opportunities that were either not taken or nor given.
The DC5 was Dave's baby and he nursed it through the early stages, and developed it to where it settled into braced for stardom... Dave blazed trails that allowed him to garner rewards that other managers were not getting, and with that came the control... Dave demanded and received control which turned into total and strong control.
Dave took the opportunity to make the DC5 into a business venture that was handled as such... He did not force the band members to sign contracts and did not force the industry to bend over and give him more than they gave others at that time -- other than the use of holding back services until they gave in -- Dave had the foresight that others didn't have in control of the material and making sure that he got the benefits from all the DC5 material, always.
At the onset Dave took on all the risks and could have easily gone bust and lost his shirt while all others involved made a fair to great wage... For his hires to work for him at the contract rate, and not walk or rebel... and to not make waves nor leak out any semblance is distaste has to say something about their satisfaction with their contracts... To this day they have not taken the bait from those who want them to tell all (the bad) about DC... Mike until his death, from all I personally have read, wanted no part of bashing Dave and admitting that it should have been the Mike Smith Five with him as the front man... They all seemed to be satisfied with the ride and the fame and the enjoyment associated with it -- not to say that there were no inside grumblings between them and to friends and others.
It has to be stated that Dave got the wealth and took on all the risks... He cut bait when he felt it was right and also used the period as a springboard to enhance his fortune. DC was the hungry and driven force that was the least gifted music talent-wise, but the one most prepared to create and maintain the DC5 for its run... Could it have gone further and longer and higher? Probably, although we will never know for sure... Could he have lost his shirt and lived his life as a has-been or never was? Most definitely, IMO... Had he not had the talent he had around him would he had never gotten off the ground with his endeavor? To me that is almost a certainty... Was Dave as much needed as the more musically gifted of the DC5+? I'd say he was... Should DC be getting the bad rap he's gotten along with the great wealth? It comes with the territory and was a part of the risk he took on at the onset.
All that said, Dave's bending facts to promote the DC5 as he saw fit is by no means being defended... It might be understood in reasoning... but not condoned. IMO, Dave seemed to do whatever he felt was needed to maintain his and their personae. He obviously felt that his place as the front-man was a key part of their success, and with that comes appearance of more credit with his involvement.
You all have my respect... I now will take all counterpoints from your more inside positions with equal respect.
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- Everybody Get Together - Top of The Pops 26/2/70 -- Chris Retro, 04:36:20 01/16/10 Sat [15]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFflm_EcE1M
Great - and would be even better re-colourised!
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- Rick Huxley's Role -- stymie, 21:06:34 12/23/09 Wed [43]
Rick didn't write any songs, as far as I can tell didn't sing, had sessionmen play for him on a lot of the songs because he was a limited bass player and, not to be cruel, wasn't the cute idol type that the others were. Why did Clark employ him? And, since they were basically on salary, was he paid less than the other three because he didn't contribute as much?
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- From 1967 forward -- Jeff, 08:19:00 07/25/09 Sat [46]
As it's been a little quiet here lately...Anyone have any ideas about why the group (or DC himself) stopped using original songs as A sides from 1967 on?
Certainly "Inside and Out" is a much better track than it's A side "Everybody Knows"; indeed a more schizophrenic bracing of tracks is incomprehensible. "Maze of Love" is far better than "Red Balloon", "Forget" much better than "Please Stay". "34-06" and "Darling I Love You" also outshine their A sides.
You could make the argument that in the UK their record sales went up with the move to covers, but in the US they were done in by the change. Maybe Epic should have tried pushing the flip sides in the States. In the Washington DC area where I'm from, WINX radio actually was playing "Inside and Out" rather than "Everybody Knows".
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- Video of Mike on "Late Show with David Letterman" -- Vic, 20:23:58 01/18/10 Mon [1]
Someone has posted video of Mike's March 2003 appearance on "Late Show with David Letterman" when he sat in with the band as Paul Shaffer hosted the show.
Unfortunately, it's not complete, but still it's a sample of what happened that night, when Mike returned to the stage of the Ed Sullivan Theater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QXkHpghj8&feature=related
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- iTunes -- Brian (odd), 09:32:09 01/11/10 Mon [6]
Isn't odd that DC is indicating that "Always Me" is/was previously unreleased on the iTunes "The Ballads" CD?
As I understand it, it was released as the flip side to the re-release of "Everybody Knows" that came out when "25 Thumping Hits" was released on Polydor.
Granted, I am pretty sure it was not released in the USA when the first dbl LP of Glad All Over Again was released on Epic, but I am positive it was released over there in England and Europe and more than likely the rest of the world where ever Polydor distributed "25 Thumping Hits".
I wonder why he did this? Doesn't he know himself what and where things were released?
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- Dec. 25 and the DC5 -- Vic, 21:20:57 12/26/09 Sat [13]
The significance of the date in DC5 history? Dec. 25, 1965 was the one and only Billboard magazine Hot 100 chart that the DC5 topped.
"Over and Over" was No. 1 on that week's Hot 100. "Over and Over" had entered the chart on Nov. 13 at No. 63. It then jumped to 38, 16, 10, 5 and 2 before reaching No. 1 (knocking out The Byrds' "Turn Turn Turn").
On the Jan. 1, 1966 chart, it had fallen to No. 5, replaced at No. 1 by "The Sound of Silence" by Simon and Garfunkel. Then it was No. 6, 13, 22, and 40 (its last week was Jan. 29)
"At The Scene" debuted at No. 73 the following week, Feb. 5. 1966.
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- DC5 v Herman's Hermits - Identical career trajectory! -- Chris Retro, 09:30:53 01/09/10 Sat [22]
Has anyone else noticed how remarkably similar the Dave Clark Five's career highs & lows were to that of Herman's Hermits?
If we cast aside any opinions on the music of both groups (HH being 'pop' compared to the R&B influenced force of much of the DC5's singles up to 66), they were both having stratospheric success in the USA(number ones with singles that weren't even hits at all in the UK) to much the same audience circa 64-67 with a decent but uneven and not exactly amazing run in the UK - and both acts suddenly dropped off in the US in 1967 almost completely, whilst enjoying a fruitful run of hits (varying in style and quality) into 1970... and then both groups split at the same, with Peter Noone being made big promises of solo stardom by Mickie Most without the need of his Hermits, and Clark deciding to issue P45's to his faithful employees.
Both, with their 67-70 singles, plundered a variety of styles in order to have hits in the UK, and both bands countered the bland hit A-sides with some punchy B's.
I find the similarity uncanny, but of course Mr Clark does not and would not compare "his" legacy to that of Herman's Hermits (who probably played as a band on more of their recording than the DC5 ever did) as he is convinced The Beatles were his eternal rivals
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- Who owns what? -- rob m, 07:49:59 01/02/10 Sat [6]
Recently, I saw an infomercial for the Ed Sullivan Show's DVD of the Rock N Roll peformances from that era by artists who performed on his show. We've all seen them: Rolling Stones, Mama's & Papas, Byrds etc. Of course No DC5 included. I know DC owns all their publishing. Who owns the perormance from the show? I thought it would be the shows Producers, or whoever now owns the Sullivan Show archive. The recent Tom Jones DVD also did not include the DC5 appearance. Such a vital representaive band from that era. Seems like such a waste they are not on these DVD sets. Rob M
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- Happy New Year, one and all! -- Joe Beim, 13:40:40 01/01/10 Fri [2]
Hope all happens a you want and you enjoy what happens in 'TEN!
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- Question for our Australian friends -- Vic, 21:24:42 12/26/09 Sat [4]
How big were the DC5 in your country? Did they have the same successes they did in the US, or were there differences as there between the US and the UK? Did their post-1967 releases chart in Australia?
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- Merry Christmas from Downunder! -- Alan, 14:22:03 12/24/09 Thu [10]
Its already Christmas Day here in OZ. Merry Christmas to all. I have to work but will be home in time "to crack open a Fosters"! All the best for 2010. Looking forward to more DC5 releases.
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