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Date Posted: 10:40:30 12/04/05 Sun
Author: d - 19 Sep 2005
Subject: Re: Man calls off search for Self after 38 yrs
In reply to: ketch - 17 Sep 2005 's message, "Re: Man calls off search for Self after 38 yrs" on 10:34:50 12/04/05 Sun

Ketch,

You bring out some good points into this discussion.


About 15 years ago, a very good friend of mine told me the same thing which Sri N said. And I argued pretty much in the same manner that you have expressed your views.

However, looking back and further looking into the nature of self, I tend to agree with what Sri N says about avoiding obstacles. During that time, I can say that kriya kept me out of trouble and obstacles. I blissed out with kriya instead drugs and alcohols. I stayed busy doing kriyas instead partying or frequenting the movies theaters or shopping binge.

So, Yoga of any kind is a good thing for that matter. It is like aquatic life keeps water clean, so the yogis of any kind, keep themselves and society more harmonious and wholesome (hopefully). But it is still a prison.

One has a need to deepen the peace as long as one has the criteria for peace and opposite of it. One feels the need to seek for bliss as long as there is a desire for experiences to get intoxicated. And hence the dependence on the means to achieve them such as any yoga practices or religious practices. And as long as there is dependence, there is no TRUE freedom.

I dare to challenge the kriyabans or yogis, how many times they feel bored to practice the sadhana ? and that also with reward of the carrot of bliss and stuff like that at the end of sadhana. As long as one needs to maintain the status of being a kriyaban or a yogi, one needs to practice kriya or yoga.

AS Sri N says, ?There are no steps to self-realization. There is nothing gradual about it. It happens suddenly and is irreversible.? This can be equated in the same contaxt as a woman can be either pregnant or not pregnant. She cannot be somewhat pregnant or half pregnant or 10 % pregnant.

I rather not get into a lengthy discussion. There are 360 degrees to a center of a sphere and hence there are infinite ways to reach the center. We are conditioned into thinking that we have to do something to get to the goal. But, ultimately, there is no goal so to speak. Honestly, yoga is a dualistic and ego strengthening sadhana from the very onset of entering the path. There is nothing to feel fortunate or anything otherwise. It is a coping mechanism for the most part. And is a good coping mechanism and let me remind you that I have used it effectively in my life as well. . So are other religious activities or rituals and so forth. I had to find the hard way that ?All the teachings are good but not necessarily same.?

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