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Date Posted: 13:12:42 02/10/06 Fri
Author: devadas - 22 Dec 2005
Subject: Re: worship the guru at your peril
In reply to: H - 2 Dec 2005 's message, "Re: worship the guru at your peril" on 13:11:35 02/10/06 Fri


If God "IS", thn s/he CANNOT be!

God is that which is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. While something that exisits i.e "IS" can exibit the first two principles, the last principle is not possible in something that exisits since the very fact of existance limits it to the confines of that existance i.e. form, and so by laws of physics cannot be omnipresent. To be omnipresent requires presence in both that IS and IS NOT. So by extention that which is omnipresent i.e God, must ncesserily be also IN us!

A true Guru is one who has been able to know this by "experience". BUT s/he is stil ahuman being i.e. subject to all the emotions of human existance. Only rare individuals like Ramana Maharshi (I believe) managed to continously remain in that state where he is able to experience this omnipresence has been relatievely "free" from the human condition. Many incidents/examples from his life seems to indicates this.

Just having the experience of this omnipresence is not sufficinet to become a Jivamukta, since such an experience is also an "Aha" experience. In other words it can happen to anyone, anywhere any place in spite of what one is, was, did or did not do. If one was a mean, selfish etc., etc., person before such an experience, one will continue to be that very same person after that experience!

Unfortunately many people takes this one time experience to declare themselves to be "Gurus" and then uses that position to exploit others.

Only a science like Kriya Yoga (among others like Surad Sabda Yoga) permits one to not only have the experience of the omnipresence, but also remain in that state of experience i.e nirvikalpa samadhi. According to PY, he acheieved this in 1942.

So one need to use one's discrimination before "worshiing" a Guru, and by extension one need to remain far away any guru who says that s/he must be worshipped :-)

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