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Date Posted: 00:31:01 12/18/04 Sat
Author: H - 26 Nov 2004
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur action
In reply to: m - 25 Nov 2004 's message, "Re: Yom Kippur action" on 00:29:52 12/18/04 Sat


The 'Johnny' chapter brought all people involved into deserved discredit. I am glad that it is long over.

The direct disciples of Lahiri Mahasaya appear to have been all in accord, as sons of a good father are of course. But the grand-children and more so great-grandchildren quarrel and fight, and are busy with heritage claims. - I do not know much about the early RS history; I read that the two main lineages were those of Rai Saligram and Jaimal. Rai seems to have been the more prominent disciple, but Jaimal the more spiritually advanced one. At a later point there were two prominent disciples - Kirpal and Charan - of another guru, Hazur Sawan Singh. There seems to have been trouble again, orthodox against 'charismatic' leadership probably.

These things seem to happen at many places. After Sri Aurobindo's passing some people started a minor revolt against the Mother's successorship although Aurobindo had appointed her to the position of guru already 24 years before and everyone knew that. Eventually his unambiguous book "The Mother" had to be reprinted in an photomechanically reproduced handwriting edition in order to make these people shut up. Those renegades were the traditionalists and Ashram intellectuals who would have liked to set up a 'teaching' around the legacy and buried the whole thing under a sort of religion in the making. Two decades later after the Mother's passing they were engaged in a violent quarrel with the nearby Auroville commune (a project started by the Mother) and nowadays they are busy shutting down websites containing Aurobindo material, due to alleged copyright reasons, and keep "editing" his writings. In the 1970's they in vain tried to get hold of and destroy the original tapes which successively have been published as "Mother's Agenda". It had to be smuggled clandestinely outside India.

I haven't read the Darshan chapters of Arran's book as yet, but it seems Kirpal did not publicly determine a successor although he foreknew the time of his own passing. To me this suggests that there was no one whom he thought to be really fit to be his successor. Otherwise he could have chosen Darshan or someone else and made this clear to the public. But he didn't.

It is also risky to appoint one's own son. After some time you have the same mess as with Dynastic Kriya - a spiritual tradition becoming family property, so to say.

I do not understand David Lane. Perhaps I am mistaken because I do not have sufficient background knowledge.

Kirpal composed a voluminous work "Gurmat Siddanth" and published it under the name of his Guru Hazur Sawan Singh. Many years later he used to mention that he himself was the author and gave copies to his own disciples as a present. - The featured quotes from scripture were also collected by someone else but who cares.

Lane, in various articles on the Internet, makes this book issue a case of false modesty.

Frankly I do not see any false modesty here. From the point of view of their local mentality and all the symbolic gestures of submission, thankfulness and, yes, sometimes pathos, I find it perfectly understandable.

Furthermore, if the whole work should prove to be as profound as the small amount of teachings of Kirpal that I already know, Hazur is right when he praised the work to the heavens.

Now it is true that I didn't know Kirpal. If he was generally known as an egocentric it would be understandable that Lane accuses him thus.

But as yet I have not come across arguments that convince me of Kirpal's deficiency as a man and as a teacher. I do not understand Lane's objections. Many people apparently made little or no progress since initiation, but this is common to all paths. The amount of 'experiences' is anyway not an indicator of inner progress. I am sure this Dr. Brock had a special place in the Masters' hearts although experiencing little to nothing in his sadhana.

Vivekananda is also a good example for someone not interested in big light-show etc.

One of the Mother's favorite disciples was a young rationalist Frenchman called Satprem who is now about eighty and lives with his female Indian companion who is also a devotee. He is the publisher of the 'Agenda'. He did not have any experiences for many years, and he was and is anti-religious to the core, hated by the Ashram establishment. - There is an old maverick German TV journalist named Troller who produces TV features on hundreds of famous as well as unkown men and women of all kinds of professions. Somehow he happened to meet Satprem and produced a small feature on him. I came to know of that recently. He describes him as the most remarkable, freest individual of all the people he ever met.

...About Bush I forgot that he gets spiritual advice from Billy Graham already. Then of course a Sant Mat guru will be of no avail :-)

H

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