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Date Posted: 09:39:29pm 01/05/06 Thu,
Author: SaintlySaint
Subject: I like your radio announcers, but...

That was the worst analysis of a game I've ever heard. Siena's leading scorer (and point guard) goes out of the game for 20 minutes with an injury and it is scarcely noted by Huessler or the color man, nor is the impact on Siena mentioned either.

Bottom line is if Kojo doesn't go out, Siena probably wins.

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[> Re: I like your radio announcers, but... -- JoeStag, 09:58:06pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

Agree, Mensah's departure did hurt Siena as Fisher and Beers are poor ballhandlers, and it seems like there is no other option..... but depth is part of the game, and Siena was not prepared to play without Mensah.

Stags have had major losses from their line-up all year, so no feeling sorry for a Siena player missing 10-15 minutes.

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[> [> You missed the point -- SaintlySaint, 10:15:49pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

Huessler and the radio commentator said NOTHING about that at all.

We all know that siena isn't prepared to play without Mensah. Again, your radio announcers never mentioned that. They attributed the win solely to Fairfield coming back from a 14 point deficit as if Knjo being out had nothing to do with it

all the points you made are correct, how come Huessler doesn't get it?

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[> [> [> Re: You missed the point -- JoeStag, 10:43:39pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

Reread my post, I said I agreed. What would you have liked me to say...... that the announcers should have repeatedly said that the loss of the great Mensah was the turning point.

I agree Mensah's loss was a factor, but Fairfield came back repeatedly in this game..... if Mensah was in the game or not. The game went from a 10 point Siena lead to 3 point Siena lead on 4 or 5 occassions. IMO, the bigger key was the insertion of Mamadou into the game and his agressive play. Unfortunately he got his 4th foul and then fouled out or we would have beaten you by more :-)

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[> [> [> [> That's not true at all -- SaintlySaint, 10:46:58pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

Fairfield would get close, then Siena would go back out to a 12 point lead. That's been the pattern all year, nothing different there, except Fairfield was a bit easier to get a lead on.

It didn't start getting close until after Kojo got hurt. Kojo went out in the 1st half, guess Huessler didn't mention that either.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: That's not true at all -- JoeStag, 11:23:14pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

I don't know exactly when Mensah was hurt, but I know Siena scored the last 10 points of the half, all Fisher and Beers. So I think Siena created their 12 point halftime lead without Mensah in the line-up.

Fairfield finally took a lead in the 2nd half, but I think that was due more to Mamadou and Max.

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[> [> [> And you keep missing my point -- SaintlySaint, 10:48:12pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

I didn't say they should have repeatedly mention it, but they NEVER mentioned it. Not once.

Kojo is missed more on the defensive end than on offense.

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[> [> [> [> Re: And you keep missing my point -- Stagman, 10:54:50pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

Care for a little cheese with your whine?

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[> [> [> [> [> Well, it's just this -- SaintlySaint, 10:56:22pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

Fairfield hasn't been very good this year, this was one we should have won. With the distinct possibility that your coach could be gone at the end of the year, it hurts to lose to a program that's so down right now.

Siena isn't good, should be next year, so wins we get this year are for pride.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Well, it's just this -- Red Rugger, 11:50:58pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

FFLD's coach who "could be gone at the end of the year" outcoached .500 Fran. After halftime the defensive intensity was so much better. FFLD got away from the loose zone and used a lot more man on man. This resulted in a lot of sloppy Siena ballhandling and turnovers. Loose balls, offensive rebounds, put backs; FFLD wanted this game more than Siena. Saintly Saints whining is laughable. He's crying about Kojo. It's part of the game. Suck it up.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Outcoached? -- soup, 09:49:05am 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

Siena, with their 5 starting guards was drilling Fairfield until Kojo went down. The switch from zone to man had everything to do with Kojo getting hurt - as FF has no one that would be able to stop dribble penetration by Kojo (FF was having trouble doing it in the zone)...once he went down, it was a no brainer to go man against Beers - who was trying to run the point.

Nice comeback by FF and congrats on the win. However, you guys won't win more than 5 or 6 MAAC games and your coach will be fired - you guys need a breath of fresh air anyway - 8 years is a long time for a coach to be running out a bunch of tweeners - you would think O'Toole would have a more balances team by now.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Outcoached? -- Sobro, 09:53:17am 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

Gee, do you think having a year and a half long NCAA investigation that produced NOTHING hurt recruiting?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Outcoached? -- Red Rugger, 10:00:22am 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

A 12 point lead at halftime (running an unbalanced FFLD "tweener" team out of the gym) only to lose. Yes! outcoached. If Siena's entire team falls apart because Kojo only played 25 of 40 minutes then which team is unbalanced. 70 shot attempts to 43. Halftime adjustments (coaching) is what won FFLD this game.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Outcoached? -- JoeStag, 10:41:55am 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

One of the most important part of coaching is that when adversity starts to happen, that the coach can get the players to refocus/regroup and turn it around. TOT did it, and Macaffery did not. I have to commend Macaffery as he did not offer the excuses like the Siena newspapers, players and fans are doing. It was the players on the court that had the Stags get 10 O-boards in the second half.

Bottom line is that every game players are injured, or sick or in foul trouble....... you deal with it, not offer excuses. The Siena players on the court were not prepared to handle the situation, and thats the heart of coaching.

I do like hearing the sour grapes from both SS and soup..... I think its funny, as when all else fails after a loss, just offer excuses, and suggest that the winning coach should be fired.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Talk about not having a clue, thanks Joe Stag -- SaintlySaint, 12:15:48pm 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

Siena is severly undermanned this year. Telling Siena fans we don't have a backup plan if someone gets hurt is akin to telling someone the building is on fire after it's burned to the ground

That's the context Siena fans have. Bottom line, which you still refuse to acknowledge, is that if Kojo doesn't get hurt, Fairfield gets run out of the building.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> And one more thing -- SaintlySaint, 12:17:59pm 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

It's clear to even the most biased Fairfield fan that TOT is on the hot seat. You seem to be suggesting that soup and I are saying TOT will be fired as some sort of a cheap retort. Not true.

Fairfield has achieved the same level of success as Rider since ToT has been your coach. That's why he's on the hot seat and was at the beginning of the year.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: And one more thing -- Stagman, 12:46:06pm 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

Interesting how you guys forget that two years ago, TOT lost his two best players (Todd and Gai) for the second semester, yet was able to keep the team together and end up with 19 wins.

You guys lose your best guy for 10 minutes and collapse.

Please look at your own bias. Dunphy is not the second coming of John Wooden. And TOT is not as big a dolt as you guys make him out to be. The Stags are consistently near the top of the MAAC. And if it weren't for a last second collapse against Loyola, we'd be undefeated right now. Hardly the makings of a coach getting fired. Especially a coach who is an alumni.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: And one more thing -- Red Rugger, 01:04:12pm 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

[* If Kojo Mensah plays 12.6 more minutes Siena beats FFLD on 1/5/06.] Maybe the Siena fans can lobby for Ensor to include this asterisk in the final 2005/2006 MAAC standings. Maybe it can count as a "half a win". Instead of Siena finishing 9-9 they can be 9-1/2 & 8-1/2.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: And one more thing -- JoeStag, 01:16:20pm 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

Yes they can call it the "Mensah Factor" and also use it in the ComputerRPI calculation.... like if Mensah plays only 30 of 40 minutes (75%), then you only get .75 of a win when you beat Siena. :-)

Losing a player like Mensah does impact the game, but what the these few Siena fans fail to relize is that all teams face adversity, and its how you handle the adversity is whats important. Certainly the Stags have had the most adversity this year with losing players, and in some games we handled it very well, others very poorly.

How about the Iona game, when Wascsmann went down with a concussion and they were down 17 ...... and then came back to win against Fresno state. I bet the Iona players weren't making excuses in the huddle.... they dealt with it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: And one more thing -- Stagman, 02:38:53pm 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

A lot of Siena fans are familiar with Mensah, but based on some of their comments, I'm not sure that too many are familiar with Mensa.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: And one more thing -- Observer, 04:42:07pm 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

I prefer this phrasing:

A lot of Siena fans will be meeting Mensah, but based on some of their comments, I am sure they will never attend a Mensa meeting.

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[> Re: I like your radio announcers, but... -- JCM, 11:06:37pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

Fairfield's radio team is fine. Huessler is a real professional. They are homers, as they should be. The audience that listens is primarily hard core stags fans.
They don't cater to the visting audience and they shouldn't. I used to listen to the Siena announcers when I lived in Albany. That was 10 years ago, but they were no different...

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[> [> Well -- SaintlySaint, 11:07:56pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

i've listened to them before, they usually do a good job presenting the game from both team's perspective. They're always well prepared (except for tonight) I'm in shock they didn't mention the impact of Kojo's injury once.

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[> Re: I like your radio announcers, but... -- SonofDoc, 11:31:15pm 01/05/06 Thu, [1]

Back from the game.

It is clear the absence of Mensah hurt, as Siena handled the ball poorly and turned the ball over repeatedly in the second half.

However, there are several other factors I can think of that contributed to the Fairfield comeback-Siena collapse

1) Hasbrouck all but disappeared in the second half - he couldn't hit the few shots he took.

2) Dave Ryan, for all the big shots he hit, missed some critical free throws down the stretch.

3) Siena allowed some key Stag shots late in the game (Todd's jumper, Han's 3 pointer)without responding.

4) The chance Siena had to take the lead was squandered, as the shot Fisher from the top of the key was a poorly selected shot, in my opinion. I wish I could see that sequence again, because I want to know what happened to Jordan, who I was sure would take the last shot.

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[> Re: I like your radio announcers, but... -- Sobro, 08:37:28am 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

Mensah missing time was important, but he played 25 minutes, so he obviously didn't miss 20. In addition, didn't the announcers mention the injury when he returned to the game? Mensah missed two FT's with about 3 and a half minutes left. They said that he didn't look right at the line after the first one and talked about him leaving earlier with an unknown injury, possibly to his side.

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[> Re: I like your radio announcers, but... -- SonofDoc, 11:51:30am 01/06/06 Fri, [1]

It's interesting to see comments made about how when Mensah left, then Siena's fortunes turned.

If you look at the scoring activity, Mensah left with 2:23 left in the first half when Siena had only a 2 point lead (39-37. Then Siena ran off 10 straight points, again without Mensah (3 point shot for Fisher, 2 FT by Jordan, 3 pointer for Beers, and two FT for Fisher).

So if you want to state Mensah not being in there was the big reason Fairfield came back, then fine you can debate that. But it was an even game when he left, then the comment that Siena probably wins if Kojo doesn't go out is just not true. That's unfair, because he wasn't there when Siena went on the big run.

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[> [> Re: I like your radio announcers, but... -- QuinnipiacStagFan, 12:32:19am 01/07/06 Sat, [1]

S Saint,

If your point is that the Fairfield radio announcers should have mentioned the injury, I agree (I didn't listen to the game on the radio, so I can't say if they did or didn't mention this).

I read more into your message than the omission of this from the announcers.... To be fair, injuries, suspensions and NCAA witch trials that kill recruiting are part of the game, we as Fairfield fans have lived with all of these over the last few years....

That said, if Mensah didn't get hurt, and Marty O'Sullivan didn't get hurt and Maxwell didn't get suspended Fairfield would have beat Siena by 20....

QC Brave >>----->

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[> Re: I like your radio announcers, but... -- Bridgeport, 09:44:31am 01/07/06 Sat, [1]

just got home froim the siena " blowout "
my experience in albany is that the siena fans
are the most obnoxious in the league --
maybe thats passion, and i am envious of that, but i love to see that club lose

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[> [> Re: I like your radio announcers, but... -- ec, 01:07:00pm 01/07/06 Sat, [1]

I agree the siena fans thought the game was over at halftime. They were laughting and joking at halftime.I hope they had a miserable trip back to albany. Fran Mcaffrey got outcoached the second half. QUIT THE BULLSH@@ EXCUSES. GET READY FOR YOUR NEXT GAME AND SHUT UP.

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