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Date Posted: 09:32:48pm 12/10/05 Sat,
Author: Reindeer Fan
Subject: Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT
In reply to: Champ 's message, "Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT" on 04:42:18pm 12/10/05 Sat,

This is what I have seen as well. Look at Geoff's RPM number and BPM (Rebounds and blocks per minute). Alvin pales by comparison. I love what Alvin Carter has done for this team. But I said it three weeks ago, and I'll say it again. With Mary out the Stags have only one legimate center and that is Middleton. Middleton needs to get his minutes and grow into the job. I think about when the stags had Andy Woodli at Center when Groomos went down. He played their because he was the only option we had. Geoff has more potential than Woodley had. He is bigger, has some inate shoot blocking skills, and although he has no post moves whatsoever, he seems to be a pretty decent shooter facing the basket. So I still see upside potential in Middleton. He is a sophomore who will only get better.

To those who say players don't develop under TOT. I say look at Goode and Carter. Did anyone believe Goode would become the player he became. Five years ago did anyone really think Carter what good more than two minutes of playing time per game. I think it is possible for players to develope and improve. Some do and some don't. The coaches do not deserve all the credit or the blame for this.

I like Carter a lot. I like his heart and his hustle. I think he has worked hard and developed in to a legimate division one player. That being said, I think O'toole needs to give more playing time to middleton and less to Carter. Carter is 6'4". He should be playing powerforward not center. For that matter if MOS he should play the 4 as well. The only legimate center on this club is Middleton and I think he should be seeing more than 25 minutes per game at this position.

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[> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- Red Rugger, 09:26:29am 12/11/05 Sun, [1]

I think TOT sees a lot of himself in Carter. Same style of play.

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[> [> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- FRank F, 10:10:58am 12/11/05 Sun, [1]

Red Rugger- I think you are absolutely right. And I think it may be at the core of why O'Toole was a very good player but not a very good coach.

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[> [> [> Re: NOT TOT BUT DOT -- JCM, 07:31:57pm 12/11/05 Sun, [1]

I think TOT also saw himself in Goode. I felt Goode had a role on the team but was a liability in some situations, but TOT continued to leave him on the floor at times where he didn't belong there. How many times were the stags down three with the ball and Goode was in there. He was 5'5 and couldn't create his own shot. The stags were working for the final shot playing 4 on 5. Goode could do some things for you but asking him to score in such a situation was not fair.

The truth is it seems, Tim judges people by their work ethic, heart, attitude and hustle and less by their innate abilities. I think Tim needs to look at the basketball skill of some of the folks he has put on the floor. Carter and Goode were not really recruited by anyone other than Fairfield. There is a reason for this. I think both players were stand up guys and good to have in the program. But folks like this should be playing a supporting role, not be the go to guys. Carter should be a back-up Powerforward who gets 15 minutes per game. Asking him to play center is not fair. The guy has no chance against a 6'9 player no less against some of the seven footers he's going to see this year. We're asking the impossible from this kid just like we did from Goode.

Players need to be used properly. We can't cloud our judgements about the abilities of some folks just because they have a lot of heart. The bottom line is, people need to have a certain amount of ability to go along with the hustle. In the tot era, we haven't always had the best players on the floor.

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