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Date Posted: 14:50:34 02/12/05 Sat
Author: A general response to simple minded arguments
Subject: Re: lack of information... you proved it!
In reply to: Mike K. 's message, "Re: lack of information... you proved it!" on 12:07:22 02/12/05 Sat

>*Regarding Moon,Moon is NOT a mainstream figure in
>American society. You all are giving him far too much
>credit. "Moonies" as well call them are the subject of
>jokes and ridicule among mainstream America.
>Yet, Moonies are influential and the Moon cult is
>doing quite well in finding new converts--- because
>everyone sees them as "no threat"?

Again, you overhype his influence in American politics. Your just scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something on Bush. I don't worry about Moon, I worry about people like George Soros and his billions of dollars trying to sway the American economy and elections.
>

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>History has proven that even upon the founder's death,
>organizations which have enough of a momentum will
>continue to operate and even grow: Scientology, i.e. -
>did Hubbard's death end that story? But I guess
>Scientology is as much of a joke to you guys as Moon,
>right?

Yeah, scientolgy is a joke and has been rejected by mainstream America.
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>

>Which would care to broadcast Farenheit 911? Did they
>tell you about manipulated votes, what story did they
>have to tell about a certain district giving MINUS
>Fifty Thousand (-50000) votes to the Democrats,
>causing Bush to win in that state by a fringe margin?
>You know, reading "1984" from George Orwell is quite a
>find if you want to see about information flows. At
>that time, it was all fiction. Now it's reality.

WOW! Your going to base your anaylsis of American politics on a hollywood movie put out by a lying liberal propagandist like Michael Moore. Did you know that even the mainstream liberal media (in America)has rejected the accusations of M Moore? Why? Because he makes accusations without proof. To say that Bush won by a 'fringe' number of votes is an ignorant statement. Bush won by 3.5 million votes and he received an additional 12 million votes in 2004 than 2000. Guess what? There is no conspiracy, Bush won in a fair election.
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>By the way, here in Europe, we can also see the U.S.
>TV - it seems like your "balanced" broadcast is not
>neutral, but usually strongly biased and in many cases
>replaces objectivity with emotional appeals. When such
>things are being used in the news, it's usually the
>best time to switch stations. Regarding the U.S.
>invasion, FOX did it. CNN did it. MSNBC did it. Now,
>which is your favorite channel.

Apparently if one disagrees with the Euro point of view, its an emotional appeal. Hmm..interesting! I'd like to know what U.S. t.v. you see in Europe? Our fascist friends to the north Canada for the longest time would not allow Fox news to be broadcast. While they wouldn't allow Fox, they did allow Al-Jeezera! Wow! So much for freedom of speech!
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>The problem is that when someone is lying about the
>preconditions for a war, they are lying. You got it?

NO, I DONT GOT IT! The "Bush lied" argument is based on false and unprovable assumptions. Mike, perhaps you are GOD and can now look into a man's heart and know whether he lied or not! If this is the case, I offer my humble apologies. If not then I would not make such an argument.
There was plenty of evidence to prove to a reasonable, rational person that Hussien had WMD's. So much so that both Democratic and Republican leaders agreed that he had them. Bill Clinton, John Kerrey, Edward Kennedy as well as many European leaders believed he had them and are on record that Hussien must be held accountable. This is why the UN passed 14 RESOLUTIONS! (Hussien broke every one of them) Bush, was the first leader to have the courage to do something about Hussien.
Mike, people do not 'lie' when they know their 'lie' will be quickley exposed. People lie when they think they can get away with it. Bush took and is indeed still taking an incredible political risk by what he is doing in Iraq. Other Presidents lost their jobs because of war. Harry Truman couldnt run again 1952 because of the Korean war and L Johnson was a political trainwreck because of Vietnam. (BTW, both Dem's)

Guess what Mike, Bush didn't lie. Bush, Blair and many others really thought he had them! (Which he did at one time)

>
>And now you say that Europe tolerates evil and lets
>the U.S. do the job?
>If Europe really didn't tolerate evil, they should
>have rallied troops against a country using deception
>and pretense to invade another country --- but they
>didn't, be glad about it!

OOHHHH!!!!!!! Your so rightouess, so HOLY! How can I respond? Only to say that you have a warped and twisted view of the world.
>Isa. 5:20.... "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil, who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness."
You say its not about Hussien, WRONG! Its all about Hussien and standing up to evil dictators. Hmm, I wonder what the Iraq VOTER would say regarding your comments. Again, if you had your way, the evil Saddam Hussien is still in power with his rape rooms and genocide. BTW, I find your comments about our "glorious country" digusting and disrespectful to the American soldiers that have died to bring FREEDOM to the Iraq people.

Mike, have you looked around lately? Elections in Afghanistan, elections in Iraq, student movements in Iran for democracy. Elections in Palestine with a cease fire agreement with Israel. LIBYA volunteers to give up its WMD's. North Korea wants to talk to USA.
As far as terrorists, where are they? Osama is on the run, reduced to making threats with GI JOE dolls! Yes Mike, we learned the lesson of the THIRD REICH, its called UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER! And that is how we will win the war on Islamo-Facism.

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Unproven? -- Mike K., 02:33:34 02/14/05 Mon
- OK, Lets try again -- Shane, 14:42:18 02/14/05 Mon