Is this a Sunshine Productions board? I realize you want to encourage people to attend your pageant and you have a National coming up, but I didnt realize this was going to turn into an ad board. I thought this was a place for PMs to discuss what they want from directors, not a place for directors to push their system. Please give the club time to rate your system. Until then, this is not an ad board, is it? -- PARENTS FOR FAIR PAGEANTS CLUB

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Date Posted: 11:38:56 10/22/07 Mon
Author: Anonymous
Subject: Is this a Sunshine Productions board? I realize you want to encourage people to attend your pageant and you have a National coming up, but I didnt realize this was going to turn into an ad board. I thought this was a place for PMs to discuss what they want from directors, not a place for directors to push their system. Please give the club time to rate your system. Until then, this is not an ad board, is it?

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[> Excuse me, but we told her because we had no pageants listed that she could stay close to the top because her pageant is coming up so soon. Thanks PFFPC -- Anonymous, 12:10:09 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> I think its a good thing for the directors to come on here and answer questions. Why can't we promote directors that comply with our rules? -- Anonymous, 12:15:16 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> After all our rules are established the pageants will be listed and their stars will be posted, -- Anonymous, 12:23:05 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> I understand that you wish to promote systems that follow the rules set forth by the PFFPC, but has anyone verified that this system follows its own ppw? This director can say anything she wants at this point and theres no one to dispute it. Shouldnt we see first hand if the criteria is met BEFORE we promote it? -- Anonymous, 12:25:42 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> One of our members did do this pageant. She did not know the director or anyone else there and won the grand supreme the first time she did the pageant. Its not the win that is important to us. It's the idea of complying with our rules. Believe me if the rules aren't followed we will hear about it through emails from our members and we will check up on it. -- Anonymous, 13:07:12 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> If you have any ideas on how to handle this we would appreciate you telling us. Right now we are asking for state representatives that can help us in their state. We can't be everywhere. -- Anonymous, 13:09:50 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> I didnt read where anyone had attended this system. C/I -- Anonymous, 13:29:57 10/22/07 Mon [1]

How will contestants know that someone attended unless they post their experience, name and which pageant they attended on what date? Perhaps I'm not expressing this well. You would like us to just take your word that this is a good system, when no one knows who you are, no one who attends these pageants are willing to give up their name, and directors are allowed to advertise their pageants on your board that is supposed to be impartial. I'm not suggesting this is a bad system. I just think we need to be fair to everyone. I could come on here, tell you how great my system is, get people to defend and support me as well. There's no way I would ask someone I knew was unhappy with my system to rate or review or even promote my system. I guess my point is you cannot expect pageant moms to follow blindly. Post a review on this pageant. Tell moms what you liked and didnt and post your name. This give you legitimacy. If you need help building a web site to post these reviews please let me know. I will be more than happy to help in any way. I would love for the voices of these moms to be heard. I will put the rules, have a page for the reviews, even post the approved and unapproved syetems. I would even be willing to put together a calendar for those pageants that are approved and post it. I think you have a great start, but there is a lot more to be done. If you are interested in any of my suggestions please let me know and I will email you directly.

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[> [> [> [> [> I just dont think you can have a club like this on a voy board and allow directors to advertise. This makes it appear you have favortism, which is what we are trying to get away from. -- Anonymous, 13:31:45 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> TO THE OP---we are very interested in what you have to say. The problem is we don't want names posted to this board because it will bring on bashing. Email us and let talk about it. Website sounds great. -- Anonymous, 13:36:21 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> We are going to be partial to the pageants that are giving us our rules. -- Anonymous, 13:42:14 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Thank you for your time, I have sent you an email. -- Anonymous, 13:50:11 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> At this point Sunshine seems to have 99% of our rules in her pageant. Yes, we will support her fully unless she shows us that she dosen't. This is what were here for. -- Anonymous, 13:22:57 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> In fact we think the directors that are interested in what our Club is doing should become members. LOL -- Anonymous, 13:31:17 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> I AGREE! THEY SHOULD BECOME MEMBERS! Why not contact them and tell them what you're doing? -- Anonymous, 14:17:27 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> [> PFFP thinks that is a good idea, but lots of work. We need help. Even if it is just to tell the directors to read our board. -- Anonymous, 14:51:24 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> So what if a pageant has 98% of your ruless? Or 95%? Where do you make the cut off? And you keep saying "our rules"? Based on the posts, it seems that everyone doesn't completely agree with your rules. Instead of making up rules, you should begin with a survey or questionaires to see what others want too. And you should contract directors to see what they can, or can't -- or will or won't -- do as well. In some cases, your fall-back rule concern can't be addressed by local or state directors, for example. I think you've got a great idea but may not be going about things in quite the right way. -- Anonymous, 14:15:24 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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[> [> [> I think an earlier post stated that a pageant system will get one star for each criteria met. So, the more stars, the better. Honestly, I believe the only people who do not like the rules are directors. I think most pm's would be thrilled with these changes. -- Anonymous, 14:19:51 10/22/07 Mon [1]

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