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Date Posted: 01:09:44 07/17/08 Thu
Author: Michael
Subject: Re: Spiritual Awakening
In reply to: iteo 's message, "Re: Spiritual Awakening" on 11:31:48 07/16/08 Wed

Babaji says that the blissful feeling that can be obtained during meditation is something to ignore and go beyond. In fact His biography was called 'Beyond Bliss' to emphasise the point.
A blissful experience is where many get stuck, they enjoy it and so dont ignore it and go beyond it, thus not getting enlightened.
I understand the idea of meditation being selfish, but I think that is a distraction. We dont meditate all our waking days and can help people during our other time. Also, in meditating we are transforming ourselves from selfish to selfless so being more giving and understanding to others.
My final thought on it is, what else to do? If you dont do this practice and gain enlightenment, then what? Stuck in this world for ever?


>>Ramana Maharshi has often been quoted as saying you
>>dont need to meditate, just enquire 'Who am I?' or
>>'Where does the sense of 'I' come from?" Babaji said
>>that it is usually mistaken as an intellectual thought
>>process to contemplate, or repeat like a mantra, but
>>in fact, in order to find the answer to those
>>questions one needs to meditate. It is only in deeper
>>meditative states that those questions begin to be
>>explored.
>>
>
>u.g. krishnamurti said that meditation was a
>completely selfish exercise - but i don't think i
>agree with that - but i really don't know anything for
>sure.
>
>i have been struggling with the issue of meditation
>for the past 3 years. my gut tells me that u.g. is
>correct, but i can't say for sure. i do know from
>personal experience that one can have some amazing
>personal experiences, but i also know that these
>experiences are not "enlightenment" -
>
>from my study of zen, most zen masters regard all
>blissful and supernatural states as a waste of time,
>mere distractions, and i know u.g. felt the same.
>
>so i guess i am in a sort of limbo in regards to how
>to achieve enlightenment, which may be a good thing

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