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Date Posted: 11:31:48 07/16/08 Wed
Author: iteo
Subject: Re: Spiritual Awakening
In reply to: Michael 's message, "Re: Spiritual Awakening" on 01:22:13 07/16/08 Wed

>Ramana Maharshi has often been quoted as saying you
>dont need to meditate, just enquire 'Who am I?' or
>'Where does the sense of 'I' come from?" Babaji said
>that it is usually mistaken as an intellectual thought
>process to contemplate, or repeat like a mantra, but
>in fact, in order to find the answer to those
>questions one needs to meditate. It is only in deeper
>meditative states that those questions begin to be
>explored.
>

u.g. krishnamurti said that meditation was a completely selfish exercise - but i don't think i agree with that - but i really don't know anything for sure.

i have been struggling with the issue of meditation for the past 3 years. my gut tells me that u.g. is correct, but i can't say for sure. i do know from personal experience that one can have some amazing personal experiences, but i also know that these experiences are not "enlightenment" -

from my study of zen, most zen masters regard all blissful and supernatural states as a waste of time, mere distractions, and i know u.g. felt the same.

so i guess i am in a sort of limbo in regards to how to achieve enlightenment, which may be a good thing

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