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Date Posted: 22:06:45 09/26/08 Fri
Author: iteo
Subject: Re: Time Monks
In reply to: Michael 's message, "Re: Time Monks" on 20:24:22 09/26/08 Fri

When I say that you're not enlightened, I didn't mean that as a judgement as if I am better than you. You have stated in previous posts that you are on the spiritual path and a seeker - meaning that you are not enlightened. Also I don't think I negated your path, I merely suggested that maybe other paths (even ones that seem daft) are just as valid as yours.

Also, no, I never said I was enlightened - I said I had an enlightenment experience. There's a difference.

At the time I didn't even recognize it for what it was - it was only later after reading jack kornfield's book "After the Ecstasy, the Laundry" that I realized that it was an enlightenment experience. Many have had these types of experiences but in all cases - the effects wear off and become nothing more than a "fond memory".

I am now as trapped in samsara as anyone else - but the experience I had was real - even though I realize there's no reason anyone should believe me.

But you say I am taking on the responsibility for others? I disagree. IMHO, everyone's path and experiences are their own responsibility. As to what is false or true - the only thing I know for certain is that these are the end times.

Everything else I preface with the notion that just because I find these ideas interesting, I still always refrain from believing in any of them. I write what I write with the hope that my story and my sincerity will cause some to merely wonder and maybe start seeking themselves.

Everyone is in for an awakening, but for those who are not interested in seeking, it will likely be a rude awakening.

>You tell me that as Im not enlightened then I cannot
>be sure of my practice, then you state that what you
>state isnt a beleif, but you "know" - are you
>enlightened?
>
>By all means 'seek' every daft 'spiritual' idea.
>There's loads of them, it will give you something to
>do until the 'end'.
>
>As to encouraging, albeit passively, others to 'seek'
>all this stuff, all I can say to that is you are
>taking on the responsibility for their spiritual
>development or retardation. If what you put in front
>of them turns out to be false, you must take the blame
>and responsibility.
>
>>
>>>So, go ahead and believe what you believe - just
>don't
>>>let it consume you and eat away at you.
>>
>>Thanks Paul - I do respect that advice but I can say
>>that from my epiphany, I don't simply "believe" - I
>>truly know and as a result it does consume me to a
>>degree (as it would for most people if they truly
>>*knew*).
>>
>>That said, I still live life as I always did. I work,
>>earn money to put food on the table. I also have other
>>interests, raise my little girls in a loving fashion -
>>they know nothing of these ideas. I am not a
>>survivalist or anything - personally I don't think
>>anyone can fully prepare themselves for these times
>>and ultimately there's little point in trying to
>>"survive".
>>
>>The Hopi indians do say that we should welcome these
>>end times - as they portend great things (their
>>prophecies are what triggered my epiphany), but as the
>>saying goes, it's always darkest before the dawn.
>>
>>They also say that many will suffer, mainly those who
>>don't know what's going on and those who cling to life
>>as we know it. That's the main reason I keep harping
>>on these ideas, to help those I know and care about
>>prepare psychologically for coming events. You may not
>>believe me now, but the seed is planted anyway.

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Replies:

Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 20:12:30 09/27/08 Sat
- Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 09:09:08 09/28/08 Sun
  - Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 01:11:59 09/29/08 Mon
    - Re: Time Monks -- Organ Morgan (The Infidel), 05:01:20 09/29/08 Mon
    - Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 09:12:14 09/29/08 Mon
      - Re: Time Monks -- Organ Morgan, 11:40:54 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 12:12:37 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- michael, 16:21:02 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 19:11:20 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 01:16:25 09/30/08 Tue