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Date Posted: 05:40:15 09/10/09 Thu
Author: Sunny
Subject: You lie!

And he does!!!!!

The ER now accept these illegals and we the tax payer ARE paying for them now...You think that is going to change?!

Some of you people need to wake up...Obama is NOT who you think he is...I feel so sorry for this country.
It will never be the same.

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[> That was shameful! -- DizzyDeb, 05:57:11 09/10/09 Thu [1]

I have never listened to a President's speech that was so rudely and disrespectfully interrupted before. It's amazing how different people hear different things in a speech. I thought the speech was inspiring, emotional, and tried to set the record straight on the outright falsehoods that are being spread simply to try to kill the issue completely. I was hopeful that maybe now some across-the-aisle talks could take place. But it seems that some will never approve of anything the President has to offer, and that's sad.

You are right that uninsured, illegal aliens do get treated at hospitals now - but so do millions of uninsured citizens. We who ARE insured pay for ALL of this. And that's got to change!

It's also interesting to note that some "feel sorry" for our country now, while others are hopeful for the first time in many years.


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[> [> What goes around comes around. -- Hogarth, 08:05:10 09/10/09 Thu [1]

The Dems spent 8 years tearing down the presidency when Bush was in office saying Bush lied and all kinds of hateful things. He was the President of the United States but he didn't get respect from the Dems.

Case in point from this very board: Anytime President Bush is heckled it is a good thing. Seriously. More people should be shouting at that little weasle. Terry 03:25:52 07/11/08 Fri


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[> [> [> And this: -- Hogarth, 08:19:11 09/10/09 Thu [1]

why do i think this is hilarious? maybe it's just cuz i'm feeling patriotic today. I think it is wonderful that the President was heckled at Monticello welcoming new citizens into our United States of America.

I guess i'm just proud that there are still kids that will risk the Secret Service to chant WARMONGER at our commander in chief.

jayjay 16:49:40 07/04/08 Fri


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[> [> [> Similarly... -- Jenn, 08:19:21 09/10/09 Thu [1]

I find it amusing that many of the very same people who found it disrespectful and wrong for the "Dems" (that's really too general) to tear down Bush are doing it now to Obama. If it was wrong before, shouldn't it be wrong now?

Just for the record, I didn't like it when people spewed hate about Bush, either. It is entirely unproductive. I'll listen to a rational argument - even better, an idea for improvement - any day. As soon as I read generalizations and terms like "brainwashing" - I've just tuned out everything else.


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[> [> [> [> ITA with you Jenn. -- Hogarth, 08:41:24 09/10/09 Thu [1]

I'm just saying after 8 years of hearing trash talk about Bush it has unfortunately become the norm these day.

I felt this was when we hit an all time low. Total disrespect for the Presidency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KvX8YHzMLQ


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[> [> [> [> [> That video... -- Jenn, 10:03:07 09/10/09 Thu [1]

I admittedly felt bad for him when I first saw that when it aired. People seem to have way too much energy to expend on childish chants and hate. I don't care who it is directed towards. I thought it took away from the positive, history making aspects of the day and was entirely unnecessary. We are all free to feel however we want to, and obviously free to shout out how we feel, but out of respect for another human being as well as for themselves, I'm disappointed that was the chosen behavior for those who participated.


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[> [> [> I take huge offense at this generalization! -- DizzyDeb, 08:34:25 09/10/09 Thu [1]

And I agree with Jenn. If disrespect is wrong of one party, it is wrong of BOTH! I am a registered "Dem" and proud of it, but I don't just blindly (or robotically, if you will) follow any party line.

Health care in this country absolutely needs reform. And if all these "sides" would stop arguing and just get the f*** to work on a proposal with concessions from all sides, we might actually see a day when every citizen of this great country could count on affordable health care and not have to worry about whether a serious illness or injury might mean losing your home. Or have to take their prescriptions every other day instead of every day to try to save money.

You can throw out any number of your examples of reciprocal rudenesses; but how about, instead, coming up with some ideas of your own, and not just the falsehoods that have been spread around to just kill any health care reform outright?


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[> [> [> [> I'm sorry I offended you, DizzyDeb. -- Hogarth, 08:52:42 09/10/09 Thu [1]

I thought we were talking about the lack of respect for the presidency, which you brought up with your comment about how shameful it was the President's speech was so rudely and disrespectfully interrupted.

ITA with your comment that Health care in this country absolutely needs reform. I just don't happen to agree with how Obama's wants to do it as do 53% of the people in this country.

Rasmussen Reports polling conducted over the past two nights shows that 44% of voters currently favor the health care reform proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-three percent (53%) are opposed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


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[> [> [> [> [> I've tried to learn from this board. -- DizzyDeb, 10:02:42 09/10/09 Thu [1]

I admit, I have been guilty of generalizations. But I actually tried to change my way of thinking and expressing myself from comments made on this board. So what I take offense at is the use of "Dems" as a derogatory term, the same as "liberal" used to be.

All I'm saying is that all sides, left, right & middle, need to stop the bullshit and start trying to work together on a plan that will be acceptable to all. And that will most definitely mean that everyone will have to make some kind of concessions.

I'm tired of the "they did it to us, now we're gonna do it to them" mentality. I agree that some people have been disrespectful of past presidents, but I also agree that it's time to STOP! It would have made Joe Wilson a MUCH bigger man if he had kept his mouth shut during the President's speech and made his comment after. And maybe in a bit more civilized way. He may just have changed a few fence-sitters minds with his outburst.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> You're tired, I am tired. So what is the big rush to push this bill so fast then? -- Sunny, 10:44:32 09/10/09 Thu [1]

They need to slow it down and think about every aspect of this new bill quietly and productivly...this affects every one of us Americans.

Who are proud to be an American.

Who can vote, talk freely and discuss every issue...but to hurry this bill and slap your hands and say our side is done...is NOT going to happen.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I give up! -- DizzyDeb, 10:56:22 09/10/09 Thu [1]

Did I say "right now"? Did I say "rush through"? I said work together, in a civilized manner. I can only hope the politicians are more willing to work on a bipartisan plan than some people on this board are willing to talk about it. It's time to stop talking "sides" and start talking United States citizens!


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Don't give up! -- Sunny, 10:59:49 09/10/09 Thu [1]

It is nice to come to a place and debate.

I respect your views. I may not always agree...but you do make some fine points.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: ...what is the big rush to push this bill so fast then? -- gg, 12:30:28 09/10/09 Thu [1]

Because it'll take effect in 2013 and he can campaign in 2012 on having had the bill passed. It's all political. He's a politician. He wants to be a heroic president. It's all about him. But, we will benefit from health care reform that will, hopefully, have been a bi-partisan effort.


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[> I wonder...... -- Hogarth, 07:33:56 09/10/09 Thu [1]

Obama: "The only thing this plan would eliminate is the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud...Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan."

If we can identify hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud in Medicare and Medicaid and we know how to eliminate it, why haven't we done so already? Why don't we do it now!


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[> [> Very good point Hogarth! -- Sunny, 10:49:04 09/10/09 Thu [1]

It is sad that the government is going to be dictating every thing...I was just reading about the foreclosure rise.
He is worrying about the health care and put the job rate and foreclosures off to the side....to rush his bill....how are people going to pay for anything if they can't even afford to have a home or feed themselves?
What a mess. Print more money...and China is concerned.
You can read all on Drudge Report for all those that are interested.


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