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Subject: Pageant Obligations

Author:
s

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Date Posted: 12:22:04 03/01/09 Sun

Dear Tom,

I would like your professional opinion on young ladies who are selected to enter a pageant of one system, then go ahead and enter another? I know this kind of stuff happens all the time, but should their be rules in place that prevent a girl from being accepted as a contestant for one pageant system, then decides to enter another system, then wins and now she cannot no longer compete in the initial pageant she was accepted to be a contestant in?

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[> Subject: All pageants should have rules about this. It's wrong.

Author:
just a thought.
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Date Posted: 12:41:04 03/01/09 Sun

>Dear Tom,
>
>I would like your professional opinion on young ladies
>who are selected to enter a pageant of one system,
>then go ahead and enter another? I know this kind of
>stuff happens all the time, but should their be rules
>in place that prevent a girl from being accepted as a
>contestant for one pageant system, then decides to
>enter another system, then wins and now she cannot no
>longer compete in the initial pageant she was accepted
>to be a contestant in?

[> [> Subject: It's a free world just like there is freedom of speech

Author:
free
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Date Posted: 13:20:12 03/01/09 Sun

>>Dear Tom,
>>
>>I would like your professional opinion on young ladies
>>who are selected to enter a pageant of one system,
>>then go ahead and enter another? I know this kind of
>>stuff happens all the time, but should their be rules
>>in place that prevent a girl from being accepted as a
>>contestant for one pageant system, then decides to
>>enter another system, then wins and now she cannot no
>>longer compete in the initial pageant she was accepted
>>to be a contestant in?

[> Subject: Thanks, Tom. Just wanted to get a clearer understanding of what the philosophy was with Miss CA

Author:
s
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Date Posted: 13:46:53 03/01/09 Sun

[> Subject: click in

Author:
Linda
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Date Posted: 14:40:31 03/01/09 Sun

Tom, Don't you think that if a girl applies for one pageant, and that pageant accepts her entry and continues to think she is planning to enter, continues sending her information planning on her participation and then she applies for another pageant their is something wrong with that picture? I personally think it shows a lack of obligation and personal responsibility to fullfill her obligations to one program first.

[> Subject: My personal opinion for what it is worth

Author:
Tom Moletteire
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Date Posted: 22:47:14 03/01/09 Sun

I think one of the things wrong with pageants today is that there is an overabundance of rules. Pageants used to be fun. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. When I was growing up in Orlando, there was a Miss Orlando in the early 70s who entered and won the Florida Citrus Queen pageant WHILE SHE WAS STILL MISS ORLANDO but after she competed at Miss Florida. At the time, both the Miss Orlando and Citrus Queen titles were pretty visible titles in the Orlando community and held a high level of prestige. The world continued to turn, the sun continued to rise and set each day, God's wrath was not wrought upon us and she carried out the obligations of both titles in exemplary fashion. That could not happen today. We take ourselves more and more serious while the rest of the world holds us with less and less esteem. I think our increasing rigidity has more to do with our decreased contestant numbers than CMN, cable tv, or whatever else you might think is to blame. With that said, for whatever reason, most pageant systems restrict their titleholders at any level from holding another title at the same time (be it in the same or a different system.) I am not aware that contestants are restricted from entering other pageants - they just can't hold two titles at the same time. It doesn't sound like the contestant you are referring to did anything wrong. She entered two pageants on the possibility that she might not win the first. When she did win one pageant, she withdrew from the other. Contestants withdraw from pageants all the time for all sorts of reasons. I think if we begin restricting a potential contestant's options once she enters a competition, we are going to lose an even greater number of contestants. I just don't think that serves either the pageant or the contestant. Just My two cents.

[> Subject: Re: Pageant Obligations. Click in.

Author:
ED
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Date Posted: 07:47:54 03/02/09 Mon

Tom,

I'm always interested in hearing divergent opinion. I suppose it is what makes this country great. I would like to think young women should have integrity, know obligation and learn responsibility and commitment. These are qualities I personally never get tired of, and ones I try to instill in our young fledglings. A pageant organization spends alot of time and expense, often times out of pocket. Once a young lady commits to the program that Director ( at least the good ones) puts forth his or her own concerted effort in making sure she has received all of the paperwork. That Director has taken the time to answer questions put to them all hours of the day, and money has been spent in making sure she is well informed via the mail. To have that young lady commit to a project only to drop out and enter another is disconserting. Particularly when 95% of the time they never let you know they have done so, until you read about it on some message board. Just my take.

[> [> Subject: My original response...

Author:
PC
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Date Posted: 10:53:48 03/06/09 Fri

I completely and whole-heartedly agree with Tom's opinion. Pageants, while of course providing incredible support for today's young women, seemed to have their "glory days" when the only pressure came from other contestants or contestants' moms. It was all about the girl that stood 2" out of line from the rest of the contestants and that tall blonde with the hairpiece that I'm sure was illegal.
My original response to ED's reply about spending time on one contestant is: why can't both ED's support that contestant? If she fulfills her duties for both pageants and competes at state, the financial and emotional support she could receive from two programs is phenomenal! Especially in today's economy when one local probably doesn't have the money to afford expensive evening wear and expensive swimsuits. What a blessing that could be!
Now I realize that is impossible because of all of the rules in place, but I just don't understand why it must be such a big to-do.

[> Subject: does a contestant get her money back if she drops out?

Author:
asking
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Date Posted: 11:41:22 03/06/09 Fri

[> Subject: On what planet are you living on?
Author: What a silly question [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:47:12 03/07/09 Sat