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Date Posted: 06:48:33 12/04/09 Fri
Author: Joel to David
Subject: Re: The Challenge...ARE YOU SURE?
In reply to: David to Joel 's message, "Re: The Challenge...ARE YOU SURE?" on 17:17:05 12/03/09 Thu

Hey David, big brother how you doing? It was so good to hear from you, I know how you busy you've been this week, so just seeing your message has made my day.

There's so much I want to cover, I'm hoping you'll leave me a message tonite or by Sat. morning before Kyle, Kyle's girlfriend Julie, Luke and Sean and I hit the road for my grandparents.

One of the main reasons going, besides seeing how grandpa reacts to me, etc., is the Holiday Festival is on in the community and I ask Holly to go with me, of course Kyle and Julie are set, and Sean and Luke have the same girls they did last time we dated recenly. Got a dance, food, Christmas events going on, etc. Should be fun.

Of course Kyle tells me its an excuse for Holly to "admire my cute little ass in jeans" as he always says, so be it, I can admire Holly!

David, one of the reasons to go is to see how grandpa reacts to me. I'm not bring up the whipping, let him bring it up. I bet grandma doesn't know what he did, and I'm wondering if she would? That's going to be a card that will be played to my dad, will grandpa admit that he whipped me when I spill my guts on him.

I saw Rick mention this, and sense you agreeing that I should have wrote grandpa off after he did what he did. With mixed feelings I was still loving him, and then I got to hate for him, and now a mixure for both. I got respect in a way and non-respect. I won't say it to his face, however?

Dude, this visit is to see if there is an answer to me and and everyone's question, was my dad abused growing up from spankings/paddlings/whippings he got?
Of course I can't come right out and ask Grandma when we bake Christmas cookies with her, I thought that idea up as she loves to talk, talk in the kitchen about past and present, did grandpa ever abuse my dad while punishing him. I'd work it more like a question does she think my dad was punished justifed, etc. LUke, Sean, Kyle are going to bring up in conversation about their dad's caring enough to paddle them when needed, even at their age, and work that in to the conversatiion. Of course I have nothing yet to bring up NOT getting paddlings or spankings as a kid. I believe grandma knows I haven't, but hav enot always been a good boy growing up. If she has, then she's brainwashed.

I could present alist of wrongdoings I've done and my butt should have been spanked/paddled while growing up. I wonder if she would be SHOCKED or NOT want to believe it. I'm a typical boy, never been an ANGEL. If she things that then, I guess I'll have to set her straight. If not this weekend, later in days to come when I tell on grandpa.

I'm wondering if he's going to proudly admit what he did, say it was for my own good, etc., for an excuse.
Maybe he'll lie when he sees the trouble he's going to be in. I'll take a lie-dector test to prove he whipped my butt unjustified! He can take one to, and show he did it!

Anyways dude, the weekend is for taking out the girls, and some undercover work. Luke's tells me that his dad has some videotapes of a TV show I believe called "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" where they do the unexpected/unbelieveable and solve crimes. Luke's our undercover work could be like the show? I don't know without watching a tape to see what he is talking about, BUT, our mission is to see what reactions might be grandpa has to me, etc.

Steve tells me that us dudes should steal the razor strap so nobody gets a REAL WHIPPING again with it. I've been taught not to steal, but as a little kid done the innocent steals, I will admit I steal cookies I'm not suppose to that my mom tells me not to and she still hasn't caught on and has blamed my dad lots of times.
Hey would stealing cookies be a REALLY GOOD REASON that my butt should get a real good, bare butt paddling? How many swats would it earn me you think, IF IT HAPPENED?

Luke says IF we should take it, and he'd be happen to do it. Of course, question would be how soon would it take to discover it was missing? You know I bet grandpa will want tp hide it after he learns I spilled my guts to my dad that he used it on me, etc.!

So David, us guys are NOT FOOLS and know our safety might be at stake. If it appears it is, then we'll leave the farm! We won't ditch the dates, however and if we have to stay over someplace we will!

Kyle has settled down, and knows this mission is my idea and I'm incharge! Sean and Luke at it that way to. If something starts happening to put us danger then I'll demand the troops leave.
We are taking a camera with us, of course we want some pictures with the girls, but if needed we can start collecting evidence photos or if a "happening" starts, then some quick photos and an exit.

David, we are not fools to endanger our lives. We are athletes, and believe from that we can do good judgement. Heck we played football together, and that dangerous turf you talk about could be to us a football field, which we a piece of cake to play on or now a basketball court. That to, we have a basketball team to protect for our school. How would that look, even though its not going to happen, 5 members of a cage team get themselves injured (killed would be stretching it a bit) wrestling with an old man?

Thanks for the warning that we need adult backup. Dude, this is a friendly visit to the farm, if trouble starts we get our butts out of there!

So now let me tough basis about my meeting with my dad to get me my first paddling, and me winning the bet, which I'm glad to see you will not back out on me, I knew you wouldn't.
I have to get the paddling from my dad. If I don't, and I will, my dad after I tell what grandpa did to me will NEVER want to paddle my butt ever, even for punishment.

I'm going to use the approach that I missed out growing up like other guys who got spanked/paddled and dad owes me one! I'm not taking NO for an answer. Use the approach, I'm not getting any younger.... catch my drift about my speech?
Can't reveal all about it, but Kyle, Luke and Sean will be at the house if I want them for backup, but it's going to be me and dad on, one and one! I should have done this long before now, but thanks to you David I got my courage up, no more looking and waiting for doors to open!

My dad and I will be in my room, until he gives in! Kyle,Luke and Sean can explain they still get paddled (well Kyle and Sean have graduated to their dad using a belt), and I know I can handle a paddle whacking my butt.

When I win dad over, and I will, dad is going to give me my paddling alone. It should be father/son and NO audience from Kyle, Sean and Luke to watch. I have no problem if they want to listen outside my bedroom door, but they should respect me for this wish! It will be a historymaking event for me. Luke says, and I hope he was joking, the event should be photographed somehow.

Geez!
Was his first spanking from his dad photographed, his red butt taken photos of, etc. after it ws over?

So David this is about the paddling. You didn't miss anything of a previous message I left, but has to do with your challenge and motivating me.

I guess I should be scared some, but I think I'm more anxious then anything else, but like you ask, a real paddling, won't my dad get me to squirming and bawling? Won't know until it happens, dude? I won't be ashamed if it does, and my dad shouldn't be either, and I know the guys won't make fun of me. If they do, I can kick their asses later on. They aren't going to make fun of me!

Dude this is I believe my last and only chance to get the paddling. As to how many swats? Leave it up to dad? I don't want no small amount...5 or less, but the swats have to be real, and make my butt hurt!
Oh, about the paddle. That can be worked in with the speech, show dad the other guys's dad's have a paddle to use on them, so Kyle wanted me to have my own similar to their. You think this should be a trophy to be among my others? Your way ahead of me big brother!

Showing the paddle, telling I deserve to be treated like the other guys, should help seal the deal,don't you think?

Hey thoughts about the swat, how about as many as my age for a suggestion?
Now, you in your challenege to me said you'd take as many swats as I got. Your butt can handle that many right? You got birthday paddlings and had no problems.

Thought in back of my mind, however, what if dad wants to give me more? I want to be like the boys, and I know he will use reason, so maybe I might have to take more then l7 swats. I guess you'll still have to match the number?

Dude, this is so cool to say you'll take swats on your bare butt like me. Did you ever doubt, and I will pull this off, that you made a mistake taking on Joel in this Challenge?
You didn't make a mistake. You should how much you cared for me, enough to be equal as a brother, and I'm so damn proud to have you think of me like this.
That's why our lives have been so much alike as we know it to be.

Your comment dude, you doubt I might not think of you, but more of my warm & red backside unless my dad goes easy on me. David, I don't think dad will go easy and will give me a good butt BURNING that I want.
My dad got a few butt roastings in college with frat brothers and I can bring in my speech they gave him the REAL THING and he can to me in mine for me to be equal with my "brothers"!

Dude, I mentioned to you I had a dream and message of God about me getting a paddling. I had that dream again. It has to be a sign to come true!
You know Pres. LIncoln had dreams about that he might be assasssinated, and took them seriously.
I'm not seeing my butt being assassinated, but I'm taking the dreams seriously!

Dude, I guess I better stop, got another MASTERPIECE going here, but I had to explain things.
Now you comment!
Please leave me a message before I leave with the "troops" for the farm, okay?

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