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Date Posted: 02/15/05 6:45pm
In reply to:
Wade A. Tisthammer
's message, "To continue further." on 05/30/02 11:16am
To find the real reason why we were created we need to start
at Satan's rebellion in heaven. The bible says that Satan
believed that he was equal to God and that he and angelic
beings that believed him started a rebellion in heaven.
We are told that Satan was defeated and cast out of heaven
as a punishment for the rebellion. And we are told that he
was cast out of heaven and sent down to earth as his punishment. Casting Satan out of heaven was not a punish-
ment. Making him stay in heaven and see God being constant-
ly praised and worshiped would have been an unbearable
punishment. Before he rebelled Satan could not stand to
see God receiving continual praise and worship. Not only
was Satan cast down to earth but he was also allowed to
enter into the Garden of Eden.
Having established a foundation for why we were created I
will now explain what I believe the total picture of our
creation really is.
I believe that after Satan was defeated he made a challange
to God. I believe that he told God that he had failed to
take the beings that God had created away from God. And
then I believe he told God that if God created more beings
and allowed them to belong to Satan, God would not be able
to take them away from Satan. I believe that God accepted
the challange. The first thing God did was create Adam and
then He created Eve. The next thing was that He had to find
a way to turn these two beings over to Satan. This would be
done by having them do something that He would tell them they were not allowed to do. And we know the rest of the
story. One of the reasons I believe what I have just re-
vealed is the truth is when it comes to God telling Adam
and Eve not to eat the fruit from the tree and the bible
says that God knows all and sees all,(past,present, and
future), then God since he can see the future knew that
they would not obey Him when He said not to eat the fruit
from the tree. Why would He tell them not to do something
that He knew they would do anyway? Because it was the way
they would belong to Satan. And then were told that because
of what they did, EVERY human being born from then on would
AUTOMATICALLY be a sinner. When a baby is born, as soon as
they take their very first breath they're AUTOMATICALLY a
sinner. Even though they have no idea of what sin is.
As soon as we're born we become part of the challange. The
heavenly beings belonged to God and Satan failed to take them away from God. We earthly beings belong to Satan and
he's challanged God to get us away from him. And God has
showed us how we can belong to him. John 3:16 not John 3:3.
John 3:16 shows us what we have to do to have everlasting
life. John 3:3 shows us what we have to do to SEE the
kingdom of God. Each of these scriptures are talking about
all together differnt things. There are people who will have everlasting life but not actually SEE the kingdom of
God. Amen and Amen
The bible also tells us that we
are told to populate the earth. Which means that we are
told to fill the earth with sinners.
for your reply.
>
>You’re welcome.
>
>>>>For what specific purpose did god create us?
>>>
>>>One possible answer is that he wanted creatures with
>>>free will that would freely accept/reject Him and His
>>>commandments.
>>>
>>>>To go to heaven, what must one do/not do?
>>>
>>>There has been some talk on faith vs. deeds to
>justify
>>>oneself in the eyes of God and thus go to heaven.
>Some
>>>people believe that since you’ve got faith, you don’t
>>>have to worry about good deeds. But that’s probably
>>>not the way it really works (if Christianity is a
>>>correct religion). If you define faith as accepting
>>>certain truths, such as believing that God exists,
>>>then such faith is useless (see James 2:14-26). Even
>>>demons (if they exist) believe that God exists!
>>>Legitimate faith in God requires love, faithfulness,
>>>and reverence for the Almighty. Thus, any genuine
>>>faith will produce good deeds. Faith and actions work
>>>together, and faith is made complete by what we do
>>>(James 2:22).
>>
>>Your two answers here strike on the core of my
>>problem. If god created us to have free will, it seems
>>to me that by having it we are doing what god wants
>>regardless of what choices we actually make.
>
>I don’t see how that logically follows. God wants us
>to have free will, yes. But he also wants us to
>choose good. With free will, there’s the possibility
>for humans to do evil. In this way, it is possible to
>have free willed creatures and still have a world that
>God doesn’t quite want. But it’s not possible for God
>(or anyone else) to create free willed creatures with
>true responsibility if those creatures are
>continuously forced to refrain from evil. It wouldn't
>really be free will at all.
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