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Charlie
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Date Posted: 02/20/05 5:29pm
In reply to:
Me
's message, "The Real Reason" on 02/15/05 6:45pm
>If the bible really is the word of God then what you are
saying could be the real reason we're here. But the bible
is full of contradictions which need to be addressed.
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>To find the real reason why we were created we need to
>start
>at Satan's rebellion in heaven. The bible says that
>Satan
>believed that he was equal to God and that he and
>angelic
>beings that believed him started a rebellion in
>heaven.
>We are told that Satan was defeated and cast out of
>heaven
>as a punishment for the rebellion. And we are told
>that he
>was cast out of heaven and sent down to earth as his
>punishment. Casting Satan out of heaven was not a
>punish-
>ment. Making him stay in heaven and see God being
>constant-
>ly praised and worshiped would have been an unbearable
>punishment. Before he rebelled Satan could not stand
>to
>see God receiving continual praise and worship. Not
>only
>was Satan cast down to earth but he was also allowed
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>enter into the Garden of Eden.
>Having established a foundation for why we were
>created I
>will now explain what I believe the total picture of
>our
>creation really is.
>I believe that after Satan was defeated he made a
>challange
>to God. I believe that he told God that he had failed
>to
>take the beings that God had created away from God.
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>then I believe he told God that if God created more
>beings
>and allowed them to belong to Satan, God would not be
>able
>to take them away from Satan. I believe that God
>accepted
>the challange. The first thing God did was create
>Adam and
>then He created Eve. The next thing was that He had
>to find
>a way to turn these two beings over to Satan. This
>would be
>done by having them do something that He would tell
>them they were not allowed to do. And we know the
>rest of the
>story. One of the reasons I believe what I have just
>re-
>vealed is the truth is when it comes to God telling
>Adam
>and Eve not to eat the fruit from the tree and the
>bible
>says that God knows all and sees all,(past,present,
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>future), then God since he can see the future knew
>that
>they would not obey Him when He said not to eat the
>fruit
>from the tree. Why would He tell them not to do
>something
>that He knew they would do anyway? Because it was the
>way
>they would belong to Satan. And then were told that
>because
>of what they did, EVERY human being born from then on
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>AUTOMATICALLY be a sinner. When a baby is born, as
>soon as
>they take their very first breath they're
>AUTOMATICALLY a
>sinner. Even though they have no idea of what sin is.
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>As soon as we're born we become part of the challange.
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>heavenly beings belonged to God and Satan failed to
>take them away from God. We earthly beings belong to
>Satan and
>he's challanged God to get us away from him. And God
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>showed us how we can belong to him. John 3:16 not
>John 3:3.
>John 3:16 shows us what we have to do to have
>everlasting
>life. John 3:3 shows us what we have to do to SEE the
>kingdom of God. Each of these scriptures are talking
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>all together differnt things. There are people who
>will have everlasting life but not actually SEE the
>kingdom of
>God. Amen and Amen
>The bible also tells us that we
>are told to populate the earth. Which means that we
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>told to fill the earth with sinners.
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>for your reply.
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>>You’re welcome.
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>>>>>For what specific purpose did god create us?
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>>>>One possible answer is that he wanted creatures with
>>>>free will that would freely accept/reject Him and
>His
>>>>commandments.
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>>>>>To go to heaven, what must one do/not do?
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>>>>There has been some talk on faith vs. deeds to
>>justify
>>>>oneself in the eyes of God and thus go to heaven.
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>>>>people believe that since you’ve got faith, you
>don’t
>>>>have to worry about good deeds. But that’s probably
>>>>not the way it really works (if Christianity is a
>>>>correct religion). If you define faith as accepting
>>>>certain truths, such as believing that God exists,
>>>>then such faith is useless (see James 2:14-26). Even
>>>>demons (if they exist) believe that God exists!
>>>>Legitimate faith in God requires love, faithfulness,
>>>>and reverence for the Almighty. Thus, any genuine
>>>>faith will produce good deeds. Faith and actions
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>>>>together, and faith is made complete by what we do
>>>>(James 2:22).
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>>>Your two answers here strike on the core of my
>>>problem. If god created us to have free will, it
>seems
>>>to me that by having it we are doing what god wants
>>>regardless of what choices we actually make.
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>>I don’t see how that logically follows. God wants us
>>to have free will, yes. But he also wants us to
>>choose good. With free will, there’s the possibility
>>for humans to do evil. In this way, it is possible to
>>have free willed creatures and still have a world that
>>God doesn’t quite want. But it’s not possible for God
>>(or anyone else) to create free willed creatures with
>>true responsibility if those creatures are
>>continuously forced to refrain from evil. It wouldn't
>>really be free will at all.
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