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Subject: You betcha. Author: Wade A. Tisthammer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 04/ 2/05 2:25pm In reply to: Don 's message, "Hi Wade, perhaps you or others can answer a question for me about ID." on 11/ 9/04 9:04am >Hi Wade, perhaps you or others can answer a question >for me about ID. > > >Ok you say there is a creator. Ok fine let’s run with >that for a second. How in all this reasoning do you >get from an ID belief to a bible belief or a Koran >belief of any kind? I think you may be confusing the main purpose of ID. Like it or not, Behe and others are not introducing ID for religious reasons; they honestly believe that the paradigm of orthodox evolution is in trouble and ID explains the empirical data better. >ID= Jesus, and miracles, with no interim steps. ID=the >bible is word for word perfect. > Untrue, which is actually one of the problems I have with many ID critics. Many critics attack ID on the basis of it being “religious” and would even go so far as to ban ID from public schools on first amendment grounds. But it just doesn't work that way. ID says life on earth was artificially created. But that doesn't mean God exists etc. So why all the hubbub about it? One of the reasons is that while it is possible for an atheist materialist to accept ID, it would be psychologically more difficult to do so. Theism is more “comfortable” with ID I think, in part because theism offers greater and more natural explanatory power. In short, ID in itself doesn't prove the Christian God. But it certainly doesn't hurt either. >It is ok as I’m not implying that you think the >Bible/Koran is word for word perfect, but what >indication makes you think that ID=god hears prayers? >OR ID= god saves, or ID=eternal life? > >How do you make these big leaps in logic that >connects an ID belief that this universe was created >to a god that gives two craps about this earth or even >has knowledge of its existence? Easy: I don't. I do not believe any of those equality statements are necessarily true. My problem with orthodox evolution isn't religious, it's scientific. The same is true for many ID pioneers. Yet some people still don't get it. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]