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Subject: Simple answers aren't always good answers

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Damoclese

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Date Posted: 09/16/04 2:53pm
In reply to: Don 's message, "I never fought with that question of" on 09/16/04 12:05pm

>
>I never fought with that question of "Does reality
>continue to exist
>when everybody is dead?"... The answer is so simple.
>YES. This universe was
>here before I arived as it will be here after I leave.

How are you so sure? One thing that we know is that the universe did NOT exist as it does now, because there was no Don in it. The same can be said for anytime someone dies or is born.

Then, the question naturally arises if everyone is dead, does reality continue to exist? And the answer is no, if it exists at all, it isn't as we know it.

The other extreme answer is that "a separate reality from our senses" never existed in the first place, making reality contingent on our senses.

>Understanding this universe
>as it changes is
>a fun thing to do, but it has never been a question to
>me does it exist.
>Of course it does. How do I know...my 5 senses that
>are limited and my understanding

I don't understand how your senses prove that there is a separate "real reality" independent of them.

>of them, just that easy and claims of a god, not that
>you do, do not improve either one.

Not all metaphysical questions are created equal...

>
>Yes life and awarness is truly amazing... I feel that
>very deeply at times, many times,
>as now and I enjoy that. But this mental pleasure does
>not prove a god or compel me to start
>making claims about one. Why would life not be amazing
>and wonderfull as we exspeirance it?

It's fine the way we experience it, but it doesn't demonstrate to me that there is anything separate from our senses that persists after we die.

>
>
>Yes like I said examining this universe is a fun thing
>to do and being honest about what we find
>is even beter. If we find nothing as to a god then say
>so, I don't see what the
>problem is. What does that do other than being honest.
>It does not mean a
>god does not exist of some kind, it does means we have
>not found one yet with either
>the 5 senses or logical understanding of them. So now
>we have room to grow. To say
>"god did it" and it can not be shown only fills a head
>with vanity and deseption.
>I supose some people like that.

I suppose.

>
>
>I understand your posistion Damoclese. I am not making
>any implications to you.
>Just going on one of my rants.

Notta problem.

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