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Subject: Making things simple Author: Damoclese [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 01/10/04 3:40pm In reply to: Wade A. Tisthammer 's message, "Which definition is foggy?" on 01/10/04 1:57pm Neither premise is particularly wrong in an imaginary world where one can define the terms however they wish. The points I brought up address the way you have framed the question. I don't agree with your notions of what infinity is, and I certainly don't agree that if the past is infinite that there can neccessarily be a present. There cannot be. Every event has the quality of being past, present and future. It simply depends on what your reference is as to where the event falls. Restricting something to having an "infinite past" relegates it to only having the past. It cannot have a future, it cannot have a present, it has a non-terminating past, and as such, it can never build up to a present, just more and more past. A preschooler could grasp this point. The mistake you seem to be making is treating time as if it were a real entity and not something that humans use as intellectual shorthand. If time itself is infinite, (past, present, future) we live such a short space of it that it is no surprise that we have a linear conception of it. No amount of logical manipulation and bullshitting will change that point. As a final note, I find it interesting that you, Wade, have managed to construct logical proofs proving the existence of God and now neatly resolved whether or not the past is infinite which incidentally and not surprisingly seems to support your personal beliefs. It's amazing how you pick and choose the logical proofs that happen to coinicide with what you think, while ignoring the criticisms in philosophy that go counter to your position (or proofs for that matter). It almost seems you've taken some class in logic, and carefully sifted out all the things that don't agree with what you happen to think. I'm sure I can expect some victim mentality response from you or that I've somehow "misunderstood" you. So, for this thread, I'm going to let it be generally known that this is the pattern you've continually run on this board, and let that serve as testimony to my successive silence hereafter concerning my participation in this thread. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date I hope so. Wade A. Tisthammer 01/12/04 10:14am One ammendment -- Damoclese, 01/12/04 9:27pm One question (or two) -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 01/14/04 10:13am Comma -- Damoclese, 01/14/04 3:19pm Math stuff. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 01/16/04 9:52am It's "point"less to discuss it with THEM -- QUITTNER, 01/16/04 11:36am Logic? -- Damoclese, 01/16/04 8:44pm Re: Logic? -- QUITTNER, 01/20/04 11:19am K -- Damoclese, 01/20/04 1:09pm Maybe the messages were not properly reported -- QUITTNER, 01/22/04 1:54pm God spoke to me, but I forgot what he said -- Damoclese, 01/22/04 4:21pm Was it really God? -- QUITTNER, 01/23/04 2:51pm Spirited away. -- Damoclese, 01/24/04 7:30pm Experience is very important -- QUITTNER, 01/27/04 11:52am Wow. -- Ben, 01/27/04 3:43pm Ben is WOWed. -- QUITTNER, 01/29/04 1:37pm uh huh -- Damoclese, 01/16/04 8:42pm More math stuff -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 01/18/04 2:54pm Less than -- Damoclese, 01/18/04 4:13pm Logic. -- Wade A. Tisthammer, 02/12/04 10:17am Distinguish between "pure" and "applied" Mathematics -- QUITTNER, 02/27/04 1:22pm Misunderstanding time -- Ben, 01/18/04 5:06pm Understanding time -- QUITTNER, 01/20/04 11:54am Supporting my point -- Ben, 01/20/04 10:05pm Paradox... hm. -- Duane, 02/11/04 9:54am