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Damoclese
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/03 9:49pm
In reply to:
Wade A. Tisthammer
's message, "Much ado about some stuff" on 09/ 1/03 6:02pm
>>I suppose you could do the same thing with the Odyssey
>>and the Illiad.
>
>Not really. To my knowledge, none of those pass the
>tests for historical reliability.
I suggest you check out this site, then. Historical Troy
>Okay, I can understand predictions like that. But how
>about others like, “Babylon will be destroyed and
>never be reinhabited?” (Isaiah 13:19-20) Babylon was
>the commercial and cultural metropolis of the
>time. A modern equivalent would be that New York City
>would be destroyed and never be reinhabited. If it
>came true, I'd say there's a good chance that genuine
>prophecy might have been involved. This prophecy is
>especially daring considering the defenses of the city
>at the time: walls 30 stories high and 11 car-lengths
>thick; even with WWI technology this would have
>stopped an entire army cold. The prophecy would have
>seemed extremely unlikely at the time it was made.
>Without a specific date, the evidential effect of the
>prophecy coming true may be limited even though it is
>a bold one (one source, Peter Stoner in Science
>Speaks: An Evaluation of Certain Christian
>Evidences, has estimated the odds of the above
>prediction coming true to be 1000 to 1), but
>nonetheless that the prediction came true does provide
>at least some degree of rational support.
I'm not so sure about that. "Never inhabited" implies an unforseeable future from our vantage point. Anytime in the future that it is inhabited would falsify such a prophecy.
Secondly, there are many people (Christians included) who don't think this prophecy actually has come to pass for various reasons and think that this prophecy refers to a future Babylon. I'm not really in a position to have an opinion on this, but it would seem to me that if Babylon is still somewhat inhabited that this prophecy lacks something to be desired. Here are the links: One site's opinion.
And Another.
It would seem that in light of these sites if Christians can't agree on whether or not this prophecy has been fulfilled that it would be a far cry for non-Christians to accept them as fulfilled.
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>>
>>That may be, but this puts you in a spot where you not
>>only are willing to admit the possibility of the Bible
>>being true, but also the possibility that every madman
>>who claims he is Jesus IS actually Jesus, or every
>>madman who claims that the world is conspiring against
>>him is actually being conspired against.
>
>Granted, those things are possible, but not
>necessarily likely. Other factors like inference
>to the best explanation come into play.
I agree, but this, just like my previous claim of extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence, is relative to the person. Again, what matters is what YOU think is the best inference and why which you have yet to provide me.
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