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Subject: What is faith? Author: Wade A. Tisthammer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09/ 2/03 11:56am In reply to: Ben 's message, "Faith and evidence" on 09/ 1/03 9:20pm >>Okay, I can understand predictions like that. But how >>about others like, “Babylon will be destroyed and >>never be reinhabited?” (Isaiah 13:19-20) Babylon was >>the commercial and cultural metropolis of the >>time. A modern equivalent would be that New York City >>would be destroyed and never be reinhabited. If it >>came true, I'd say there's a good chance that genuine >>prophecy might have been involved. This prophecy is >>especially daring considering the defenses of the city >>at the time: walls 30 stories high and 11 car-lengths >>thick; even with WWI technology this would have >>stopped an entire army cold. The prophecy would have >>seemed extremely unlikely at the time it was made. >>Without a specific date, the evidential effect of the >>prophecy coming true may be limited even though it is >>a bold one (one source, Peter Stoner in Science >>Speaks: An Evaluation of Certain Christian >>Evidences, has estimated the odds of the above >>prediction coming true to be 1000 to 1), but >>nonetheless that the prediction came true does provide >>at least some degree of rational support. > >All this talk makes a question spring to my mind: if >you ever really had enough "evidence" to make you >certain that the Christian God really exists, where >would be the place for faith? Isn't faith esteemed >highly in the Bible? How could you have faith if you >were logically certain you were right? You and I evidently have different ideas of what "faith" is. I read faith as faithfulness, loyalty, reverence (for God) and trust. I have faith in my friends, which is to say I trust them, not merely believe in their existence. I should have faith in God, i.e. trust in him even when things look bad. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]