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Date Posted: 11/26/15 10:53:44pm Thu
Author: Local gate fan
Subject: Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army
In reply to: pigskin 's message, "Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army" on 11/26/15 2:28:45pm Thu

So what team is replacing Bryant on the schedule?

>>Yes Gate Raider I remember we played CCSU in 2005. It
>>was demoralizing seeing them on the schedule in the
>>afterglow of 2003, and a sign that Roach didn't spend
>>much time working on our schedules or learning our
>>traditions. (When Dunlap and Murphy made the schedules
>>it was always exciting to see what interesting foes
>>they could come up with.) Thank god Vicky gets it and
>>is returning to the Dunlap/Murphy philosophy. Yes I
>>remember we lost. Apparently the kids don't get too
>>exciting about playing lusterless, nontraditional,
>>crappy academic schools any more than old fart alums
>>do. They lost to Monmouth the following year in
>>another eagerly anticipated September home game which
>>nobody showed up for. Wins against these schools mean
>>nothing (see Lehigh last year), and losses follow us,
>>not only ruling out any possibility of a ranking or at
>>large playoff bid, but affecting recruiting as well.
>>I'm glad the Board of Trustees doesn't want us playing
>>Bryant, though I wonder where they were a decade ago
>>when these schools started popping up on our
>>schedules. Our more importantly where they were during
>>the 1980s when we were self-destructing our wonderful
>>fb program!! If we can't play strong football program
>>or traditional rival we should play a good academic
>>school. Why did people often think we were in the Ivy
>>League before the PL? Hint - it wasn't because of Case
>>library, which was embarrassingly inadequate then, or
>>because of the number of Nobel laureates on the
>>faculty. It was because we played Ivies far more than
>>any other non-Ivy school. BTW, PL schools weren't
>>considered/didn't become academic peer schools until
>>the creation of the PL.

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[> [> [> [> Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army -- Raider Redhead, 11/27/15 2:30:35am Fri

There are two ways to view Colgate's football association with the Ivies. On the one hand, it creates the perception that Colgate is an academic peer. Conversely, it further diminishes the Colgate football brand because the Ivies have become increasingly irrelevant in the college pigskin world, at least in comparison to their status 15 or more years ago. Nowadays, top NEC programs which many Colgate fans view with elitist disdain are on par with the majority of the Ivy programs.

So, to what extent should Colgate schedule Ivies? I prefer no more than two games per season. Cornell should be an automatic scheduling fixture, because preservation of the rivalry trumps any concern about the non-competitiveness of the Big Red program (8-29 versus Colgate since the Marinaro Era). Besides, they're our perennial OOC cupcake. The other Ivy game should be scheduled on a rotational home-and-home basis with the traditionally stronger Ivy teams -- specifically, Harvard, Yale, Penn, and Princeton.

I'd like to see Colgate playing a 12-game schedule such that it has six OOC games. Assuming two games are always the aforementioned Ivy match-ups, the other four games could entail an FBS (D-IA) opponent, 2 CAA opponents, and 1 non-regional opponent from a "good" FCS conference such as the Southern Conference, MVC, OVC, etc.

This scheduling approach should simultaneously preserve the Ivy association which some Colgate folks crave AND improve scheduling/opponent quality, which in turn improves Colgate's football reputation, player recruiting and, eventually, on-field performance and fan interest.

Of course, there is a sacrifice to be made...fewer home dates. Colgate will always have its home dates with PL and Ivy teams, but the aforementioned non-Ivy OOC opponents will be loathe to travel to Hamilton and play in front of a 3K-4K audience (and that's paid attendance!...the actual number of fannies in seats is closer to 1.5K-2K).

This sacrifice doesn't particularly bother me if the benefit is better football. Prior to PL formation, Colgate had a long history of playing road-centric schedules, because it was necessary for scheduling better opponents and for sharing larger attendance revenues.

The comments on this board about a lack of home games should be taken with a grain of salt. I realize those comments are made out of self-interest -- i.e., more opportunities for the posters to attend games in Hamilton and to avoid travel to away venues. However, these posters are fooling themselves if they believe more home games will somehow generate larger attendances (especially if the home opponents are PL and Ivy teams) or improve the quality of Colgate football.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army -- 'gate80, 11/27/15 7:58:31am Fri

Good analysis, but a few quibbles. Our PL champ, playoff bound team played 3 Ivies this year who all had losing records in IL play (6-15 cumulatively). We lost by 24 points to Princeton, who was 2-5 in Ivy League play. Our only win in 3 Ivy games was against Cornell (1-9) by a TD. I disagree that playing Ivies diminishes Colgate's football brand. And playing Lafayette (outscored 82-7 in 2 games with Ivy teams this year) and Georgetown doesn't?? Ivy football is getting stronger. I also disagree that we should demand home and home with Ivies - this in fact is why Ivy opponents are getting more scarce on future schedules. We should be delighted to play say Harvard and Penn on the road only and allow Boston and Philly alums a chance to see the team.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army -- bs, 11/27/15 8:49:38am Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army -- Maven, 11/27/15 9:20:32pm Fri

Also agree.

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