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Date Posted: 11/27/15 2:30:35am Fri
Author: Raider Redhead
Subject: Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army
In reply to: Local gate fan 's message, "Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army" on 11/26/15 10:53:44pm Thu

There are two ways to view Colgate's football association with the Ivies. On the one hand, it creates the perception that Colgate is an academic peer. Conversely, it further diminishes the Colgate football brand because the Ivies have become increasingly irrelevant in the college pigskin world, at least in comparison to their status 15 or more years ago. Nowadays, top NEC programs which many Colgate fans view with elitist disdain are on par with the majority of the Ivy programs.

So, to what extent should Colgate schedule Ivies? I prefer no more than two games per season. Cornell should be an automatic scheduling fixture, because preservation of the rivalry trumps any concern about the non-competitiveness of the Big Red program (8-29 versus Colgate since the Marinaro Era). Besides, they're our perennial OOC cupcake. The other Ivy game should be scheduled on a rotational home-and-home basis with the traditionally stronger Ivy teams -- specifically, Harvard, Yale, Penn, and Princeton.

I'd like to see Colgate playing a 12-game schedule such that it has six OOC games. Assuming two games are always the aforementioned Ivy match-ups, the other four games could entail an FBS (D-IA) opponent, 2 CAA opponents, and 1 non-regional opponent from a "good" FCS conference such as the Southern Conference, MVC, OVC, etc.

This scheduling approach should simultaneously preserve the Ivy association which some Colgate folks crave AND improve scheduling/opponent quality, which in turn improves Colgate's football reputation, player recruiting and, eventually, on-field performance and fan interest.

Of course, there is a sacrifice to be made...fewer home dates. Colgate will always have its home dates with PL and Ivy teams, but the aforementioned non-Ivy OOC opponents will be loathe to travel to Hamilton and play in front of a 3K-4K audience (and that's paid attendance!...the actual number of fannies in seats is closer to 1.5K-2K).

This sacrifice doesn't particularly bother me if the benefit is better football. Prior to PL formation, Colgate had a long history of playing road-centric schedules, because it was necessary for scheduling better opponents and for sharing larger attendance revenues.

The comments on this board about a lack of home games should be taken with a grain of salt. I realize those comments are made out of self-interest -- i.e., more opportunities for the posters to attend games in Hamilton and to avoid travel to away venues. However, these posters are fooling themselves if they believe more home games will somehow generate larger attendances (especially if the home opponents are PL and Ivy teams) or improve the quality of Colgate football.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army -- 'gate80, 11/27/15 7:58:31am Fri

Good analysis, but a few quibbles. Our PL champ, playoff bound team played 3 Ivies this year who all had losing records in IL play (6-15 cumulatively). We lost by 24 points to Princeton, who was 2-5 in Ivy League play. Our only win in 3 Ivy games was against Cornell (1-9) by a TD. I disagree that playing Ivies diminishes Colgate's football brand. And playing Lafayette (outscored 82-7 in 2 games with Ivy teams this year) and Georgetown doesn't?? Ivy football is getting stronger. I also disagree that we should demand home and home with Ivies - this in fact is why Ivy opponents are getting more scarce on future schedules. We should be delighted to play say Harvard and Penn on the road only and allow Boston and Philly alums a chance to see the team.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army -- bs, 11/27/15 8:49:38am Fri


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: I'm scared to death of CCSU, and rather we play Syracuse and Army -- Maven, 11/27/15 9:20:32pm Fri

Also agree.

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