VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 12345[6]78910 ]


[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 09/19/15 7:27:04pm Sat
Author: out of the 'gate
Subject: Yale game

Penalties continue to kill us. We look stupid !!! Horrible, horrible second half. We had the game. That being said, why not use Melville the way we eventually used Jimmy DeCicco. Time to get creative. Try something...please !!

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]


Replies:

[> Re: Yale game -- jb74, 09/19/15 8:10:15pm Sat

>Penalties continue to kill us. We look stupid !!!
>Horrible, horrible second half. We had the game.
>That being said, why not use Melville the way we
>eventually used Jimmy DeCicco. Time to get creative.
>Try something...please !!
Nobody can voice any challenge to the level of effort of this year's team and coaching staff, but "Out of the Gate" is expressing some valid frustrations. I can't imagine any opposition D coordinator spending much prep time with 'Gate offensive play projections beyond 11 yards from the line of scrimmage.


[ Edit | View ]


[> [> Re: Yale game -- Bleed Maroon, 09/19/15 8:15:42pm Sat

>>Penalties continue to kill us. We look stupid !!!
>>Horrible, horrible second half. We had the game.
>>That being said, why not use Melville the way we
>>eventually used Jimmy DeCicco. Time to get creative.
>>Try something...please !!
>Nobody can voice any challenge to the level of effort
>of this year's team and coaching staff, but "Out of
>the Gate" is expressing some valid frustrations. I
>can't imagine any opposition D coordinator spending
>much prep time with 'Gate offensive play projections
>beyond 11 yards from the line of scrimmage.
Moving off the 3 back committee seemed to be a beneficial shift. Other changes in approach may be similarly profitable.


[ Edit | View ]


[> Re: Yale game -- agatefan, 09/19/15 8:35:54pm Sat

it's not about a coaching staffs EFFORT it's about their ability to coach and win games and this staff FLUNKS BOTH,
some VERY poor coaching, D looks lost at times O is far to predictable and use of the players they have is NOT good at all


[ Edit | View ]


[> [> Re: Yale game -- out of the 'gate, 09/19/15 9:43:29pm Sat

>it's not about a coaching staffs EFFORT it's about
>their ability to coach and win games and this staff
>FLUNKS BOTH,
>some VERY poor coaching, D looks lost at times O is
>far to predictable and use of the players they have is
>NOT good at all
The team is rudderless. We won the game for NH and today we won it for Yale. At EVERY critical moment we either botched an opportunity or handed one to the opponent. Somebody is not showing up.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Re: Yale game -- agatefan, 09/19/15 9:49:48pm Sat

>>it's not about a coaching staffs EFFORT it's about
>>their ability to coach and win games and this staff
>>FLUNKS BOTH,
>>some VERY poor coaching, D looks lost at times O is
>>far to predictable and use of the players they have is
>>NOT good at all
>The team is rudderless. We won the game for NH and
>today we won it for Yale. At EVERY critical moment we
>either botched an opportunity or handed one to the
>opponent. Somebody is not showing up.

agree on the O but the D is not good either, if this is the best front 7 in 20years then the D co-ord should be fired!!!


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> Re: Yale game -- TheGreenCoat, 09/19/15 9:45:25pm Sat

>it's not about a coaching staffs EFFORT it's about
>their ability to coach and win games and this staff
>FLUNKS BOTH,
>some VERY poor coaching, D looks lost at times O is
>far to predictable and use of the players they have is
>NOT good at all
up 21-7...45 seconds left in first half with THREE time outs...ball own 45...other than Colgate how many others teams make NO effort to get points? Coaching staff shows a distinct lack of confidence in the offense to pass for 3 more points...what really the case here is the lack of confidence the staff has IN THEMSELVES to help these kids get additional points...


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Re: Yale game -- out of the 'gate, 09/19/15 10:03:54pm Sat

>>it's not about a coaching staffs EFFORT it's about
>>their ability to coach and win games and this staff
>>FLUNKS BOTH,
>>some VERY poor coaching, D looks lost at times O is
>>far to predictable and use of the players they have is
>>NOT good at all
>up 21-7...45 seconds left in first half with THREE
>time outs...ball own 45...other than Colgate how many
>others teams make NO effort to get points? Coaching
>staff shows a distinct lack of confidence in the
>offense to pass for 3 more points...what really the
>case here is the lack of confidence the staff has IN
>THEMSELVES to help these kids get additional points...
TheGreenCoat...we are on the same page. Obviously something is broken. What do we fix first?


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> Re: Yale game -- Gate63, 09/19/15 10:27:26pm Sat

Not to be forgotten: The two blocked field goals. Both were on Bowman from where I sat. Guy on Yale had solid ups, but if anyone ever blocks it by jumping on the other side of the line of scrimmage then you kicked it too low.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> Re: Yale game -- jb'74, 09/19/15 11:10:15pm Sat

>Not to be forgotten: The two blocked field goals. Both
>were on Bowman from where I sat. Guy on Yale had solid
>ups, but if anyone ever blocks it by jumping on the
>other side of the line of scrimmage then you kicked it
>too low.
Regarding Out of the 'Gate's comment about Decicco's conversion to a specialty RB (done, I think, by Hunt when he was both QB coach and OC), Atwood & Melville on the field at the same time would be intriguing.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Yale game -- The Future, 09/20/15 12:11:38am Sun

Colgateís been inside the other team's 22 yard line eleven times in the past two games and scored four times. 4 for 11 from inside the other teamís 22 is an incredible amount of points left on the field.

Colgate had 34 and 36 yard FG's blocked. Kicks were a little low and looked a tenth or two slow--too much time between hold and kick getting off.

Yale went 8-8 passing in the 4th.
D-line dominated middle of the game and then stopped getting any pressure. Don't know why.

QB draw works very well.
Back shoulder pass to Greenawalt always works.
Play action pass to Maddaluna over the middle works--kid looks so dynamic with the ball in his hands but gets four touches a game. If you send the TE deep and go play action, isn't the middle of the field going to be open every time? Give QB the read of either Maddaluna crossing or QB keeping it.
Missed pass in flat to Wilkins with six minutes left was the one they will regret the most. Wilkins needed six and probably would have gotten 30.
48 runs. QB ran 12 times--maybe 4 of those were when QB kept on the read option. If you have a run-first QB, make sure he runs--the juke on the TD tells you how dangerous he is once he gets to the second level. Canít think of the last time Colgate had the QB keep the ball two plays in a row on the read optionóprobably Mooney against Albany.

Two O lineman out. One D lineman. Two starting D backs. Not the worst positions to lose players but have lost some really good players.

Overall, this isnít a team getting physically dominated. Itís a team not making plays. If they make them, they win. Simple as that.

Can still be a great year.

Beat Holy Cross!


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Yale game -- gate, 09/20/15 10:10:36am Sun

Thx 4 the different perspective. The 0-3 start is not ideal but not completely unexpected. Think this was only the 4th time Yale has come to Hamilton. Great crowd, poor execution, terrible result. Penalties were not made by young players. Our leaders did not lead. Seemed every 1st down play was a predictable, 1 or 2-yd run up the middle.

Will try to be tactful in saying this, but a new QB could be the magic we need to reinvigorate this team. Do not want to put the success or failure on any one player, but if he remains, we may have our third losing season.

Hunt is likable, energetic, even giddy at times...everything Biddle was not. Unfortunately, his tenure is off to an auspicious start but still have great confidence and excitement with his leadership. Was sitting next to the Armiento family, Eachus, DiCicco, and others...wish we could have earned them the W for Homecoming.

Maybe some brotherhood bonding on the bus is what we need! Will be at HC, weather permitting. Princeton romps Lafayette, BU barely survives at Cornell...we have our work cut out for us. The PL has become stagnant during our transition to scholarships. Cannot wait to get our League and Colgate's program into winning rhythm!


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Yale game -- Maven, 09/20/15 7:59:30am Sun

>>Not to be forgotten: The two blocked field goals. Both
>>were on Bowman from where I sat. Guy on Yale had solid
>>ups, but if anyone ever blocks it by jumping on the
>>other side of the line of scrimmage then you kicked it
>>too low.
>Regarding Out of the 'Gate's comment about Decicco's
>conversion to a specialty RB (done, I think, by Hunt
>when he was both QB coach and OC), Atwood & Melville
>on the field at the same time would be intriguing.

Good and accurate assessment, not emotional like me and others


[ Edit | View ]


[> Re: Yale game -- Oak Dr., 09/20/15 2:36:41am Sun

>Penalties continue to kill us. We look stupid !!!
>Horrible, horrible second half. We had the game.
>That being said, why not use Melville the way we
>eventually used Jimmy DeCicco. Time to get creative.
>Try something...please !!

Contract extensions for everyone!!!!


[ Edit | View ]


[> [> Please run this play twice a game -- The Future, 09/20/15 9:49:41am Sun

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/09/overturned_call_rewards_ole_mi.html

Even if it doesn't work it will keep the defense honest. Defenses see the read option and attack the line of scrimmage. Run this on second and one to the short side of the field (like they do in this play) and there is no way anyone will be within 20 yards of the receiver. If they are, it probably means the QB has one man to beat running the ball. Don't have the QB read the DE, make sure the OL doesn't illegally go downfield, have the QB flatten out the run if he has to. Make it so the defense doesn't trust their keys and you'll add a yard to every run.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Re: Please run this play twice a game -- Maven, 09/20/15 7:47:59pm Sun

> >href="http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/09/overtu
>rned_call_rewards_ole_mi.html">http://www.al.com/sports
>/index.ssf/2015/09/overturned_call_rewards_ole_mi.html<
>/a>
>
>Even if it doesn't work it will keep the defense
>honest. Defenses see the read option and attack the
>line of scrimmage. Run this on second and one to the
>short side of the field (like they do in this play)
>and there is no way anyone will be within 20 yards of
>the receiver. If they are, it probably means the QB
>has one man to beat running the ball. Don't have the
>QB read the DE, make sure the OL doesn't illegally go
>downfield, have the QB flatten out the run if he has
>to. Make it so the defense doesn't trust their keys
>and you'll add a yard to every run.

In watching Hunt's post game interview he does not mention the eleven penalties we committed even if we gained 300+ yards. We are way below where we should be in productivity in the red zone. We have a long way to go and odds makers will no doubt make the crusaders the favorite.


[
Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> Re: Please run this play twice a game -- agatefan, 09/21/15 10:28:17am Mon

>In watching Hunt's post game interview he does not
>mention the eleven penalties we committed even if we
>gained 300+ yards. We are way below where we should
>be in productivity in the red zone. We have a long way
>to go and odds makers will no doubt make the crusaders
>the favorite.

also not mentioned that the D gave up 365 yards.
in 3 games the opponent has averaged north of 400 yards of offense....that's awful!! and has outscored gate more than 2 to 1...that's awful!


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> Re: Please run this play twice a game -- TheGreenCoat, 09/21/15 11:08:02am Mon

>>In watching Hunt's post game interview he does not
>>mention the eleven penalties we committed even if we
>>gained 300+ yards. We are way below where we should
>>be in productivity in the red zone. We have a long way
>>to go and odds makers will no doubt make the crusaders
>>the favorite.
>
>also not mentioned that the D gave up 365 yards.
>in 3 games the opponent has averaged north of 400
>yards of offense....that's awful!! and has outscored
>gate more than 2 to 1...that's awful!
Is 300 yards of total offense supposed to be some kind of accomplishment...get a clue...In McCarney's junior season we averaged around 500 yards/game and 300 is actually below average at any level of college football...he simply doesn't get it, unfortunately...


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Please run this play twice a game -- get em' gate, 09/21/15 12:01:06pm Mon

>>>In watching Hunt's post game interview he does not
>>>mention the eleven penalties we committed even if we
>>>gained 300+ yards. We are way below where we should
>>>be in productivity in the red zone. We have a long
>way
>>>to go and odds makers will no doubt make the
>crusaders
>>>the favorite.
>>
>>also not mentioned that the D gave up 365 yards.
>>in 3 games the opponent has averaged north of 400
>>yards of offense....that's awful!! and has outscored
>>gate more than 2 to 1...that's awful!
>Is 300 yards of total offense supposed to be some kind
>of accomplishment...get a clue...In McCarney's junior
>season we averaged around 500 yards/game and 300 is
>actually below average at any level of college
>football...he simply doesn't get it, unfortunately...


Gate should be looking for 450 yards per game. 300 is not what winners talk about. As for the D, remember this was Yale's first game of the year which put their offense at a significant disadvantage.

Re Gate's offense, the team has TEs at 6'6 and 6' 2, 3 WRs at 6" 3 and other WRs who can exploit the open field, including Madaluna and Wingenroth. Gate cannot run the ball against a decent defense without a strong passing game. Questions for posters who may know- how would you compare the passing ability of each Colgate QB, and how would you plan your Offense? Gate should be giving Defensive coordinators plenty to chew on but they can pretty much go to sleep. One more question, other than special teams, what to the coaches do?- Plan O, teach tackling instruct on techinique or whatever? What would next week be like if the coaches took the week off?


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Please run this play twice a game -- Gate Raider, 09/21/15 12:49:59pm Mon

FWIW, Yale played a scrimmage game against Brown before coming to Kerr. get em is correct. Colgate makes the opponent's defensive coach's job very easy, and Hunt has to raise his and the team's expectations. Regarding QB's, we know Melville's strength's and weaknesses. Mooney's performance last year was under difficult circumstances. At the least, I would like to see another QB get a chance should Colgate get in a comfortable game position. There is benefit in giving players on the bench some game experience.


[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Please run this play twice a game -- agatefan, 09/21/15 12:53:51pm Mon

> Re Gate's offense, the team has TEs at 6'6 and 6' 2,
>3 WRs at 6" 3 and other WRs who can exploit the open
>field, including Madaluna and Wingenroth. Gate cannot
>run the ball against a decent defense without a strong
>passing game. Questions for posters who may know- how
>would you compare the passing ability of each Colgate
>QB, and how would you plan your Offense? Gate should
>be giving Defensive coordinators plenty to chew on but
>they can pretty much go to sleep. One more question,
>other than special teams, what to the coaches do?-
>Plan O, teach tackling instruct on techinique or
>whatever? What would next week be like if the coaches
>took the week off?

sadly they did NOTHING to replace what Pavalko brought to the O I have seen nothing but missed blocks and dropped passes from that position!!


[ Edit | View ]





[ Contact Forum Admin ]


Forum timezone: GMT-5
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.