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Subject: THE ZIONIST CONTROL OF NEW ZEALAND


Author:
cricketer
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Date Posted: 12:44:21 09/01/12 Sat




quote from Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister 19771983
Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.

The protocols of Zion state jews are men Goyim are not men.

Harold Rosenthal says, "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."


According to the Jewish NZ web site there are only 7000 Jews in NZ. That is approximately one in 600 yet they dominate power.
Which makes what follows statistically impossible whilst at the same time being frighteningly true.

The Zionist Control of NZ is almost complete.

David Shearer our next packaged Zionist Prime Minister to replace John Key (zionist banker)who will not seek a 3rd term after selling off our assets to his Zionist mates.
Shearer is Married to jewess Anushka Meyer , He was NZ man of the year as picked by the zionist rag NZ Herald 2 years ago. Part of the Iraqi invasion resulting in Nathaniel Rothschild controlling the Iraqi Oil fields (see Valleres Oil) to net him 4 billion per annum. Involved with the Zionist controlled United Nations.


Our democracy has been usurped all main parties are Zionist controlled and the candidates are forced down our throats by the electoral committees of each party.


Plus every country in the world is in debt to the Rothschilds. The big four Australian banks are all zionists and they control the 300 billion of debt created over our dwellings farms and businesses.The inner sanctums of management of the NZ Banking system are dominated by Zionist jews.


How do we wake NZ upto these facts,


The history of the Rothschilds states that they setup Reuters; and the privatisation process is to allow them to obtain ownership of of our utility companies, Heffernan runs contact energy and most of the directors are Australian jews.I have seen an estimate of $500 TRILLION US DOLLARS for the Rothschilds wealth.


Stiasney runs Genesis Energy. Lee Mathias has just been appointed in charge of a Government committee. Sean Elias is our Chief Justice. Paula Rebstock is now in charge of ACC Rebstock is married to Ulf Schoefisch a Jew, she also worked for Treasury.

All our billionaires are Zionists and the Zionists own the 2 largest supermarket chains and the Westfield Shopping malls.
Most of the people on the rich list are zionist jews.
Graeme Hart is a Jew (profited from privatisation of Govt Printing Office).The Chandler Brothers are Jewish (check out their artist mother) and along with Jennings they profited by the privatisation process in Russia.

The Friedlanders started buying a house a week in the depression and now own 2600 houses in Ponsonby.and most of the commercial real estate in Ponsonby road and Great North Road. There is a Friedlander lookalike in every community in New Zealnd

All this is of course statistically impossible. I believe Treasury and the Reserve bank are run by these people as are our trade commissions and delegates to the UN.

Obviously our selection process at the State Services commission is dominated by these people also.


In the USA all the major sporting franchises are owned by Jews and Bernie Ecclestone controls formula 1.

In NZ the 2 millionaire Zionist Jews own the Warriors.

Give the people bread and circuses while you enslave them. The IRS in the USA was not formed until 1913 after the Rothschilds setup the US Federal Reserve.

The recent article in the Herald headed BIG BUCKS LURE TOP EXECS TO NZ
Fails to note that 3 of the 4 appointees to top Public servants positions

Grossman

Makhlouf

Longstone
have Jewish surnames , as does the mentioned banking ombudsman Wakem......

God help NZ

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10783494

The NZ Heralds article about the cronyism of The Nats appointments to committees of partisan Nat members fails to mention the real problem is the huge number of Zionist Jews being appointed to positions of power in NZ.

NZ Herald Article

Housing boss manhandled staff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10800311

Ms Bach appointed independent lawyer Stephanie Dyhrberg to investigate

the matter and the decision making was delegated to the former Secretary for Education Karen Sewell.

Katrina Bach , Karen Sewell , Stephanie Dyhrberg All Zionists

THIS IS NOT COINCIDENCE.

Also:

Lester Levy CEO Waitemata Health and Auckland transport

The new CEO of Air New Zealand
Craig Norgate of Fonterra , the Fonterra shares are already being touted in the Israeli financial Press.

The celebrity circus created by the media is dominated by Zionists as are the talking heads on television and the journalists who brainwash us including most of the press gallery at Parliament.

Not to mention the Trades Council (supposedly there for working NZers) chief financial officer Bill Rosenberg.
Hayley Westenra, and Anna Pacquin, Sam Neill. the Conchords etc etc etc.

And recently South African jewish architects the HERBST won the NZ House of the year design.... YEAH RIGHT
The masterchef finalist was a Schwartz and the guest judge was Rick Stein , have you noticed they never cook pork.

And of course the previous winner of Masterchef Australia was jewish. and the Bohm girl who is Miss NZ is a South African Jew.
Henry Makow ( Jews against Zionism) states....We have a faux society. The central bankers (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Warburgs and the rich) control the media, politicians, professors, journalists. Those who deviate from the script are quickly marginalized. Most people who are successful (in the public realm) are witting or unwitting collaborators. Evil (or stupid) rises to the top. This has ceased to be strictly a "Jewish conspiracy." But like everyone else, Jews need to know about it, or be manipulated and used forever. They need to know that anti-Semitism is caused by the out-sized role other Jews, half-Jews and crypto Jews have played. Zionism is an instrument of banker world government.

It is bloody frightening.

Further
*Zionist Jew placed in charge of Christchurch rebuild*

Warwick Isaacs has been placed in charge of the 30 Billion dollar
Christchurch rebuild.
He will of course surround himself with staff of overpaid jewish people and
make sure the most profitable plums of the rebuild contracts also go to
Jewish business's

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[> Subject: Re: THE ZIONIST CONTROL: pls don't use this forum


Author:
Jessica (:()
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Date Posted: 07:18:37 11/13/12 Tue

Dear cricketer

I love Allen's book.

But from the outside, this doesn't look like the forum for your type of approach/sentiments. I urge you to find another soapbox.

J

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[> [> Subject: Re: THE ZIONIST CONTROL: pls don't use this forum


Author:
Harry Tuttle (=0))
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Date Posted: 21:47:29 04/27/13 Sat

I SUPPORT THIS POST, THE VERIFIABLE INFORMATION CONTAINED WITHIN AND IT'S INTENT OF WARNING IN SO DOING - REGARDLESS OF THE CHOICE OF FORUM. THIS INFORMATION IS RARE INDEED AND SIMPLY MUST BE SEEN BY AS MANY NEW ZEALAND CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE!!!!

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[> [> [> Subject: pls don't use this forum


Author:
Jessica
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Date Posted: 04:16:04 07/04/13 Thu

I love this forum, but don't welcome these left field racist comments, that have no place on this knowledgeable site. Please use a different forum and leave us to discuss the items it was set up for.

Allen; what do you think about all the recent turmoil in Egypt? (again) Such strong financial consequences as it and Syria continue to be destabilized...

J

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: THE ZIONIST CONTROL: pls don't use this forum


Author:
elizabeth wesley
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Date Posted: 20:59:03 10/24/14 Fri

>I SUPPORT THIS POST, THE VERIFIABLE INFORMATION
>CONTAINED WITHIN AND IT'S INTENT OF WARNING IN SO
>DOING - REGARDLESS OF THE CHOICE OF FORUM. THIS
>INFORMATION IS RARE INDEED AND SIMPLY MUST BE SEEN BY
>AS MANY NEW ZEALAND CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE!!!!
Canada is in the same shameful position as you are and we all know the US is run by them. They control what we eat, what we think, and take our money along the way. They have been part of every war fought since the bolshevik revolution and maybe before that time too. In the past most countries refused them entry or expelled them because they take over everything they encounter. There is never enough money or power to satisfy them and what they don't have now is rapidly being acquired.

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[> Subject: Re: THE ZIONIST CONTROL OF NEW ZEALAND


Author:
Gaye Hewson
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Date Posted: 18:11:10 07/26/17 Wed

>Haunui Dairy inc, ( became incorporated (charity trust 2000 when it was The Great Cow Company ) John, his wife and Kenneth Whitney, and 4 others shared 58 shares in 2001. On 8 Nov 2008 it had been in liquidation for a year, and was removed from the registry. As changes to the Act had been made through Parliament, the " society" was NOT required to have a Chartered accountant to furnish the returns. A director, or a member can do this now. And also, as there were NO creditors involved,and tax of $8.000 was paid already, NO accounts or statements were required to be seen. In 2001, Westpac Government Department had registered a $3.000.000 " charter " to the company. Their Bank was ANZ. The shares had turned into 160.000 shares, to be divided among the members. The liquidation papers said that there was $97.000 to share. Lianne Dalzeil had put forward the "Bill " changing the rules for Charity Trust organisations. There is more, but I am still wading through it.
>
>
>quote from Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister
>19771983
>Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on
>this planet. We are as different from the inferior
>races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to
>our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle
>at best. Other races are considered as human
>excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior
>races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader
>with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and
>serve us as our slaves.
>
>The protocols of Zion state jews are men Goyim are not
>men.
>
>Harold Rosenthal says, "Most Jews do not like to admit
>it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen
>people. Lucifer is very much alive."
>
>
>According to the Jewish NZ web site there are only
>7000 Jews in NZ. That is approximately one in 600 yet
>they dominate power.
>Which makes what follows statistically impossible
>whilst at the same time being frighteningly true.
>
>The Zionist Control of NZ is almost complete.
>
>David Shearer our next packaged Zionist Prime Minister
>to replace John Key (zionist banker)who will not seek
>a 3rd term after selling off our assets to his Zionist
>mates.
>Shearer is Married to jewess Anushka Meyer , He was NZ
>man of the year as picked by the zionist rag NZ Herald
>2 years ago. Part of the Iraqi invasion resulting in
>Nathaniel Rothschild controlling the Iraqi Oil fields
>(see Valleres Oil) to net him 4 billion per annum.
>Involved with the Zionist controlled United Nations.
>
>
>Our democracy has been usurped all main parties are
>Zionist controlled and the candidates are forced down
>our throats by the electoral committees of each party.
>
>
>Plus every country in the world is in debt to the
>Rothschilds. The big four Australian banks are all
>zionists and they control the 300 billion of debt
>created over our dwellings farms and businesses.The
>inner sanctums of management of the NZ Banking system
>are dominated by Zionist jews.
>
>
>How do we wake NZ upto these facts,
>
>
>The history of the Rothschilds states that they setup
>Reuters; and the privatisation process is to allow
>them to obtain ownership of of our utility companies,
>Heffernan runs contact energy and most of the
>directors are Australian jews.I have seen an estimate
>of $500 TRILLION US DOLLARS for the Rothschilds wealth.
>
>
>Stiasney runs Genesis Energy. Lee Mathias has just
>been appointed in charge of a Government committee.
>Sean Elias is our Chief Justice. Paula Rebstock is now
>in charge of ACC Rebstock is married to Ulf Schoefisch
>a Jew, she also worked for Treasury.
>
>All our billionaires are Zionists and the Zionists own
>the 2 largest supermarket chains and the Westfield
>Shopping malls.
>Most of the people on the rich list are zionist jews.
>Graeme Hart is a Jew (profited from privatisation of
>Govt Printing Office).The Chandler Brothers are Jewish
>(check out their artist mother) and along with
>Jennings they profited by the privatisation process in
>Russia.
>
>The Friedlanders started buying a house a week in the
>depression and now own 2600 houses in Ponsonby.and
>most of the commercial real estate in Ponsonby road
>and Great North Road. There is a Friedlander lookalike
>in every community in New Zealnd
>
>All this is of course statistically impossible. I
>believe Treasury and the Reserve bank are run by these
>people as are our trade commissions and delegates to
>the UN.
>
>Obviously our selection process at the State Services
>commission is dominated by these people also.
>
>
>In the USA all the major sporting franchises are owned
>by Jews and Bernie Ecclestone controls formula 1.
>
>In NZ the 2 millionaire Zionist Jews own the Warriors.
>
>Give the people bread and circuses while you enslave
>them. The IRS in the USA was not formed until 1913
>after the Rothschilds setup the US Federal Reserve.
>
>The recent article in the Herald headed BIG BUCKS LURE
>TOP EXECS TO NZ
>Fails to note that 3 of the 4 appointees to top Public
>servants positions
>
>Grossman
>
>Makhlouf
>
>Longstone
>have Jewish surnames , as does the mentioned banking
>ombudsman Wakem......
>
>God help NZ
>
> >href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.c
>fm?c_id=3&objectid=10783494">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
>business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10783494

>
>The NZ Heralds article about the cronyism of The
>Nats appointments to committees of partisan Nat
>members fails to mention the real problem is the huge
>number of Zionist Jews being appointed to positions of
>power in NZ.
>
>NZ Herald Article
>
>Housing boss manhandled staff
>
> >href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_i
>d=1&objectid=10800311">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new
>s/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10800311

>
>Ms Bach appointed independent lawyer Stephanie
>Dyhrberg to investigate
>
>the matter and the decision making was delegated to
>the former Secretary for Education Karen Sewell.
>
>Katrina Bach , Karen Sewell , Stephanie Dyhrberg All
>Zionists
>
>THIS IS NOT COINCIDENCE.
>
>Also:
>
>Lester Levy CEO Waitemata Health and Auckland
>transport
>
> The new CEO of Air New Zealand
>Craig Norgate of Fonterra , the Fonterra shares are
>already being touted in the Israeli financial Press.
>
>The celebrity circus created by the media is dominated
>by Zionists as are the talking heads on television and
>the journalists who brainwash us including most of the
>press gallery at Parliament.
>
>Not to mention the Trades Council (supposedly there
>for working NZers) chief financial officer Bill
>Rosenberg.
>Hayley Westenra, and Anna Pacquin, Sam Neill. the
>Conchords etc etc etc.
>
>And recently South African jewish architects the
>HERBST won the NZ House of the year design.... YEAH
>RIGHT
>The masterchef finalist was a Schwartz and the guest
>judge was Rick Stein , have you noticed they never
>cook pork.
>
>And of course the previous winner of Masterchef
>Australia was jewish. and the Bohm girl who is Miss NZ
>is a South African Jew.
>Henry Makow ( Jews against Zionism) states....We have
>a faux society. The central bankers (Rockefellers,
>Rothschilds, Warburgs and the rich) control the media,
>politicians, professors, journalists. Those who
>deviate from the script are quickly marginalized. Most
>people who are successful (in the public realm) are
>witting or unwitting collaborators. Evil (or stupid)
>rises to the top. This has ceased to be strictly a
>"Jewish conspiracy." But like everyone else, Jews need
>to know about it, or be manipulated and used forever.
>They need to know that anti-Semitism is caused by the
>out-sized role other Jews, half-Jews and crypto Jews
>have played. Zionism is an instrument of banker world
>government.
>
>It is bloody frightening.
>
>Further
>*Zionist Jew placed in charge of Christchurch rebuild*
>
>Warwick Isaacs has been placed in charge of the 30
>Billion dollar
>Christchurch rebuild.
>He will of course surround himself with staff of
>overpaid jewish people and
>make sure the most profitable plums of the rebuild
>contracts also go to
>Jewish business's

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[> Subject: Re: THE ZIONIST CONTROL OF NEW ZEALAND


Author:
don (ANZAC no jew fuck jew)
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Date Posted: 05:11:11 08/16/17 Wed

>zionist jew warmongers should be exterminated if you know what Imean
>
>
>quote from Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister
>19771983
>Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on
>this planet. We are as different from the inferior
>races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to
>our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle
>at best. Other races are considered as human
>excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior
>races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader
>with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and
>serve us as our slaves.
>
>The protocols of Zion state jews are men Goyim are not
>men.
>
>Harold Rosenthal says, "Most Jews do not like to admit
>it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen
>people. Lucifer is very much alive."
>
>
>According to the Jewish NZ web site there are only
>7000 Jews in NZ. That is approximately one in 600 yet
>they dominate power.
>Which makes what follows statistically impossible
>whilst at the same time being frighteningly true.
>
>The Zionist Control of NZ is almost complete.
>
>David Shearer our next packaged Zionist Prime Minister
>to replace John Key (zionist banker)who will not seek
>a 3rd term after selling off our assets to his Zionist
>mates.
>Shearer is Married to jewess Anushka Meyer , He was NZ
>man of the year as picked by the zionist rag NZ Herald
>2 years ago. Part of the Iraqi invasion resulting in
>Nathaniel Rothschild controlling the Iraqi Oil fields
>(see Valleres Oil) to net him 4 billion per annum.
>Involved with the Zionist controlled United Nations.
>
>
>Our democracy has been usurped all main parties are
>Zionist controlled and the candidates are forced down
>our throats by the electoral committees of each party.
>
>
>Plus every country in the world is in debt to the
>Rothschilds. The big four Australian banks are all
>zionists and they control the 300 billion of debt
>created over our dwellings farms and businesses.The
>inner sanctums of management of the NZ Banking system
>are dominated by Zionist jews.
>
>
>How do we wake NZ upto these facts,
>
>
>The history of the Rothschilds states that they setup
>Reuters; and the privatisation process is to allow
>them to obtain ownership of of our utility companies,
>Heffernan runs contact energy and most of the
>directors are Australian jews.I have seen an estimate
>of $500 TRILLION US DOLLARS for the Rothschilds wealth.
>
>
>Stiasney runs Genesis Energy. Lee Mathias has just
>been appointed in charge of a Government committee.
>Sean Elias is our Chief Justice. Paula Rebstock is now
>in charge of ACC Rebstock is married to Ulf Schoefisch
>a Jew, she also worked for Treasury.
>
>All our billionaires are Zionists and the Zionists own
>the 2 largest supermarket chains and the Westfield
>Shopping malls.
>Most of the people on the rich list are zionist jews.
>Graeme Hart is a Jew (profited from privatisation of
>Govt Printing Office).The Chandler Brothers are Jewish
>(check out their artist mother) and along with
>Jennings they profited by the privatisation process in
>Russia.
>
>The Friedlanders started buying a house a week in the
>depression and now own 2600 houses in Ponsonby.and
>most of the commercial real estate in Ponsonby road
>and Great North Road. There is a Friedlander lookalike
>in every community in New Zealnd
>
>All this is of course statistically impossible. I
>believe Treasury and the Reserve bank are run by these
>people as are our trade commissions and delegates to
>the UN.
>
>Obviously our selection process at the State Services
>commission is dominated by these people also.
>
>
>In the USA all the major sporting franchises are owned
>by Jews and Bernie Ecclestone controls formula 1.
>
>In NZ the 2 millionaire Zionist Jews own the Warriors.
>
>Give the people bread and circuses while you enslave
>them. The IRS in the USA was not formed until 1913
>after the Rothschilds setup the US Federal Reserve.
>
>The recent article in the Herald headed BIG BUCKS LURE
>TOP EXECS TO NZ
>Fails to note that 3 of the 4 appointees to top Public
>servants positions
>
>Grossman
>
>Makhlouf
>
>Longstone
>have Jewish surnames , as does the mentioned banking
>ombudsman Wakem......
>
>God help NZ
>
> >href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.c
>fm?c_id=3&objectid=10783494">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
>business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10783494

>
>The NZ Heralds article about the cronyism of The
>Nats appointments to committees of partisan Nat
>members fails to mention the real problem is the huge
>number of Zionist Jews being appointed to positions of
>power in NZ.
>
>NZ Herald Article
>
>Housing boss manhandled staff
>
> >href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_i
>d=1&objectid=10800311">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new
>s/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10800311

>
>Ms Bach appointed independent lawyer Stephanie
>Dyhrberg to investigate
>
>the matter and the decision making was delegated to
>the former Secretary for Education Karen Sewell.
>
>Katrina Bach , Karen Sewell , Stephanie Dyhrberg All
>Zionists
>
>THIS IS NOT COINCIDENCE.
>
>Also:
>
>Lester Levy CEO Waitemata Health and Auckland
>transport
>
> The new CEO of Air New Zealand
>Craig Norgate of Fonterra , the Fonterra shares are
>already being touted in the Israeli financial Press.
>
>The celebrity circus created by the media is dominated
>by Zionists as are the talking heads on television and
>the journalists who brainwash us including most of the
>press gallery at Parliament.
>
>Not to mention the Trades Council (supposedly there
>for working NZers) chief financial officer Bill
>Rosenberg.
>Hayley Westenra, and Anna Pacquin, Sam Neill. the
>Conchords etc etc etc.
>
>And recently South African jewish architects the
>HERBST won the NZ House of the year design.... YEAH
>RIGHT
>The masterchef finalist was a Schwartz and the guest
>judge was Rick Stein , have you noticed they never
>cook pork.
>
>And of course the previous winner of Masterchef
>Australia was jewish. and the Bohm girl who is Miss NZ
>is a South African Jew.
>Henry Makow ( Jews against Zionism) states....We have
>a faux society. The central bankers (Rockefellers,
>Rothschilds, Warburgs and the rich) control the media,
>politicians, professors, journalists. Those who
>deviate from the script are quickly marginalized. Most
>people who are successful (in the public realm) are
>witting or unwitting collaborators. Evil (or stupid)
>rises to the top. This has ceased to be strictly a
>"Jewish conspiracy." But like everyone else, Jews need
>to know about it, or be manipulated and used forever.
>They need to know that anti-Semitism is caused by the
>out-sized role other Jews, half-Jews and crypto Jews
>have played. Zionism is an instrument of banker world
>government.
>
>It is bloody frightening.
>
>Further
>*Zionist Jew placed in charge of Christchurch rebuild*
>
>Warwick Isaacs has been placed in charge of the 30
>Billion dollar
>Christchurch rebuild.
>He will of course surround himself with staff of
>overpaid jewish people and
>make sure the most profitable plums of the rebuild
>contracts also go to
>Jewish business's

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Subject: Brainwashed siucidal assassine human robots, like the Manchester Arena bonber, deep state concpiracy


Author:
Knut Holt
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Date Posted: 13:34:25 05/25/17 Thu




Suicidal Assasines Have been Brainwashed and Made Into Zombie Robots by Mighty Backmen Using Advanced Psychiatric Methods

by Knut Holt

http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm

http://www.mydeltapi.com/erotic-products.htm

The actions of young people that blow themselves up while at the same time killing dozens of other people and hurting many more, cannot solely be attributed to the propaganda of certain medieval mullahs. The pisonous philosophy of those religious leaders certainly contribute, but something much more advanced is acting to produce a brainwashed suicide assassine.

Suicide assasines have nearly always been systematically brainwashed by medication, psychological conditioning and physical psychoneurological techniques to produce human robots without free will. Those doing this are long term secret projects that got hold of the kid from a young age. Before they do their mission of assassination they are generally set into a state of reduced consciousness,equipped and commanded to do their mission.

The assassines have usually been subjected to religious indoctrinations from early childhood, but this is most cases not enough to make a person into a human robot totally devoid of own free will, with a drive to perform effective and gruesome, but utterly illogical actions from any standpoint of own interest.

The covert projects tries however to find kids that already have got a foundation of belief that makes them easy to program, or are cooperating with religious institutions that give the kids this foundation.

The covert projects then use advanced psychiatric techniques in order to braiwash them to do these actions, and also help them with necessary equipment.

The programming techiques have been developed by more or less secret programs run by certain secret services, like CIA, cooperating univerisities and cooperating mental institutions. The techique used are:

- Drugs prescribed by cooperating psychiatrists that set the person in a permanent state of a certain sedation of agitation, like diazepines, amphetamine or ritalin.

- Anaesthestic drugs that takes way some of the conscious functions, and memory of the actual programming event.

- Psychiatric drugs that facillate conidioning and programming.

- Electromagnetic waves of certain frequences directed at the person wich reduces the consciousness and set the person in a mental state for easy conditioning and programmming.

- Electromagnetic waves with frequencies carrying certain messages.

- Psychological methods from the behaviorist school, often done in a covert way, for example masqueraded as play or game.

- Religious or political propaganda directed at the person in the altered state made by the other methods.

- Causation of pain, sexual excitement or other feelings used together with the propaganda.

- Hypnosis directed at the person already set in a susceptible mental state, also this often masqueraded as something else than wuat it is.

- Audiovisual performances that the person see and listen to in a sedated state with reduced ability to reason, usual performances with the aim of supporting hate against certain groups and loyality to other.

The person programmed will generally have one or two contact persons that follow him during the program and direct him to the programming sessions without revealing what these events really are. The programmed person gets to know little about his attendants other than a cover story, and the attendants will generally masquerade as friends, trainers, teachers, religious leaders, child protective worker, youth club leader or whatever else is conveniant.

The programming of such zombie robots is often a long term project, The instance programming them usually begin with them when they are small children in kindergartens, religious schools or other places wher one takes care of children, and they are directed during their childhood to attend places and services where the brainwashing continues.

The young person may not even be aware of what is going on themselves, because the brainwashing process typically happens under use of anesthesia that makes them forget the exact circumstances of the brainwashing process.

When they finally are called on to fulfill their suicide raid, thay do it under a mental state where parts of the intellectual reasoning and emotional capacity are swiched off, while the practical reasoniong and emotional urges necessary to do the mission are in overdrive.

The projects producing terrorist zombies also use recruiting agents inspecting environments where young persons are frequenting, to find individuals with a suitable background to be turned into a muman robot.

Those standing behiend may or may not themselves be Islamists, but you should not be too sure about who stands behind at the top level and coordinate such bad events.Thay may be worldwide Islamic conspitators, they may be deep state or globalist conpirators, or some alliance thereoff.

At the middle organizational level the actors are likely to be secret services in the western sphere, health centers, services in mosques and churches, authorities in certain schools, child protective agencies or police agencies.

The aim in the first place is to create fear and disorder, then to use the general fear and disorder in the public as a pretence and fertile ground to issue steadily greater surveillance and restrictions in the daily life of every citizens and theraby making a virtual prizoner of all of us.

The ultimate goal is a world governed by an elite living in tremendous wealth and with freedom to do whatever they want in their daily life, while the wast majority of people will be foreced into a state of slavery, with access to very small resources, with very little freedom to move around and where every aspect of the life is controlled and strictly restricted.

The elite will howver need somebody that controle the masses. Therefore they aim to establish a middle class with the purpose of controlling the masses with all kind of technology at disposaland with some of the privilages of the elite. But the individual belonging to the elite themselves will provide for themselves the ultimate means to activate and deactivate all the controlling technology and thereby also this middle class of controllers.

Both the global elite and this class of controllers are to some ectent already a reality. Those controllers are the units and persons that recruit, train and program the terrorists.


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About the Manchester arena suicide terrorist: It is said that the murderer was a lone person using a provisorial bomb and one automatically thinks of him as a fanatic and eval Islamist. It may be true that he really was an Islamist and that he was lone in the moment. But there are surely others standing behind him, Those brainwashed him with advanced neuropsychological and psychiatric techniques to be be a robot without any free will, and they surely provided him with a rather advanjced bomb. Those standing behind may or may not themselves be Islamists, but you should not be too sure about whome stands behind at the top level and coordinate such bad events.Thay may be worldwide Islamic conspitators. They may be deep state or globalist conpirators, or some alliance thereoff.

The programming of such zombie robots is often a long term project, The instance programming them usually begin with them when they are small children in kindergartens, religious schools or other places wher one takes care of children, and they are directed during their childhood to attend places and services where the brainwashing continues. They may not even be aware of what is going on themnselves, because the brainwashing process typically happens under use of anesthesia that makes them forget the exact circumstances of the brainwashing process. When they finally are called on to fulfill their suicide raid, thay do it under a mental state where parts of the intellectual reasoning and emotional capacity are swiched off, while the practical reasoniong and emotional urges necessary to do the mission are in overdrive.

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Subject: Dawn


Author:
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Date Posted: 12:13:25 08/25/13 Sun

Just another domino in a long row that is/was very predictable. Maybe not this specific circumstance, but a general unravelling of the financial system. Many thanks for the link and the heads up. Being way "back in the bush" and out of touch, I miss some happenings. Not that I really miss the "news" because it is a soap opera. Every time I come out, the Mid East is on fire. Politicians screaming across the aisle "Gotcha. You ate even stupider and more corrupt than we are." Mans inhumanity towards man reaching new pinnacles.

Should have noted my expression above as cynical today. Grin

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Subject: Argentina loses appeal in $1.33 billion U.S. bondholder fight


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Date Posted: 05:08:30 08/25/13 Sun

Hey Allen what do you think of this fancy stepping..D

Argentina loses appeal in $1.33 billion U.S. bondholder fight

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Argentina on Friday lost its appeal of a U.S. court order requiring it to pay $1.33 billion to hedge funds that refused to accept steep discounts when the nation restructured its debt.

Link:

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/argentina-loses-u-appeal-1-33-billion-bondholder-143547966.html

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Subject: Cricketer


Author:
Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 16:09:09 07/07/13 Sun

Assuming all you say is right, (and I don't necessarily agree) my question is "what do you propose to be done about it?" Nothing else really matters. Bleating about something neither makes it wrong nor fixes it if it is wrong.

There is no doubt both Israel and USA believe they are the chosen people, and it is their duty to lead/teach the lesser peoples. Fact of life, but looking at history, one that will be corrected in due course.

I have a lot of trouble getting my mind around several of these questions. We seem to be measuring success by dollars. Is it really success? The mathmeticions talk of an expanding infinity. What surrounded infinity before it started expanding? God made the earth, etc. So who made god? (I admit to believing in a hereafter, but not the one commonly subscribed to. Sitting on a cloud playing a harp for all eternity doesn't sound exciting to me, nor as a twice divorced male, does 73 or any other number of virgins turn my crank.)(I do admit that little girls grow up in the most delightful way.)

So, I do hope that you have some rational arguments that some people who have a quirk of the mind that drives them to accumulate money is wrong. And the fact that you have seen estimates that someone has 500 trillion in assets, neither make the estimate right nor reasonable. That ESTIMATE IS NEITHER POSSIBLE TODAY, OR REASONABLE, nor inherently immoral. Everyone, male/female- you/me are different, have different values and views of the world, with varying degrees of accuracy.

I prefer to discuss far out subjects with a certain amount of logic

Allen

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Subject: Peter


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Date Posted: 14:55:32 07/07/13 Sun

Peter
As a very amateur single engine pilot I know the jets come in, not as a low power float in and touchdown, but as a 75% power, pancake/stall. So the tail is invariably low. Nevertheless, your scenario about loss of equipment, from whatever cause, does sound plausible. We will see

Allen

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Subject: SFO Crash


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Date Posted: 21:48:20 07/06/13 Sat


1) The crew apparently knew they had a problem as the plane approached the airport. A recording of the airport's air-traffic controllers provided by FlightAware.com, a website that tracks flights, had the controllers assuring the crew that "emergency vehicles are responding.

2) The tail was too low. Instead of coming in flat it was coming in at, I would say, maybe a 45-degree angle, with the tail far too low, she said. It really went through quite a few acrobatics on the runway.

3) The fire, which apparently was visible only after impact, appears to have been in the overhead area where all the control functions travel.

Conclusion:

An explosive or incendiary device went off and caused loss of vertical attitude control, resulting in 1) & 2) above.

The fire did not penetrate the skin until impact and breakup and therefore seemed a result rather than the cause.

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Subject: Ooops Nervous submit finger?


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Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 15:56:28 07/05/13 Fri

Something strange going on here. Three postings obliterating at least two messages? Where's my guru?

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Subject: CK and Thai


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Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 15:46:46 07/05/13 Fri

Thanks for the heads ups Welcome anytime.

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Subject: Tony D


Author:
Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 13:17:10 07/05/13 Fri

Many thanks for your comments. Divergence of opinion welcomed since it polishes my thoughts.

Failure of the bond auction as detailed is already happening regularly. I am not in contact with the world very much so I don't know what the current numbers are but the Fed is buying well over the new issue, probably about 120% this year. So you are right about that. However having said that, 1# I needed a kind of trigger point that most people could understand, and 2) my forecast when I started learning to write in 1993 was that the bond market would be the trigger, whether that be out of Europe, Japan or the USA. Currently the bond market is between a rock and a hard place.

One evidence of that is the mere fact that the US is buying more bonds than it issues. Somebody #China et al) is dumping. They don't want to hold more USD or bonds. My own estimate is that China has dumped about $1 trillion in the two years 2011/2. They had US trade surpluses of about 280 billion per or 560 total. PLUS the % of their reserves in USD dropped by 11% from 65% to 54%, about another half a trillion.

Moreover, With all the hoo haw about the last raising of the US debt ceiling OR THEY WOULD DEFAULT, how can the US not default on a larger amount if they would default on the smaller amount?

Then we have central bankers declaring that they are going to keep interest rates low, near zero. That is simple jawboning. 10 year rates have gone up from 170 to 240 or nearly 50% in the last 8 months They can't control rates, just influence them. Suddenly Bankers are saying rates can't remain low forever. Not a word about their godlike powers for controlling rates. Now a 70 point increase in rates doesn't make a whole lot of practical difference, however if they did have a real control, that wouldn't have happened. All it indicates is that they are beginning to lose control, and unless they can find a magical solution, we are firmly in an endgame. Admittedly, they have been muddling through with remarkable success, but anything that can go wrong, will.

There are very many more technical reasons the bond market is between a rock and a hard place, but too long to go into here

Good luck to you and yours
Please do continue to discuss here and or get the word out about the novel. It is my hope that someone will read it and not be blindsided as the poor tourists on the beach in Thailand were by not recognizing the Tsunami until it was too late in the novel.

Allen

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Subject: Tony D


Author:
Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 13:17:10 07/05/13 Fri

Many thanks for your comments. Divergence of opinion welcomed since it polishes my thoughts.

Failure of the bond auction as detailed is already happening regularly. I am not in contact with the world very much so I don't know what the current numbers are but the Fed is buying well over the new issue, probably about 120% this year. So you are right about that. However having said that, 1# I needed a kind of trigger point that most people could understand, and 2) my forecast when I started learning to write in 1993 was that the bond market would be the trigger, whether that be out of Europe, Japan or the USA. Currently the bond market is between a rock and a hard place.

One evidence of that is the mere fact that the US is buying more bonds than it issues. Somebody #China et al) is dumping. They don't want to hold more USD or bonds. My own estimate is that China has dumped about $1 trillion in the two years 2011/2. They had US trade surpluses of about 280 billion per or 560 total. PLUS the % of their reserves in USD dropped by 11% from 65% to 54%, about another half a trillion.

Moreover, With all the hoo haw about the last raising of the US debt ceiling OR THEY WOULD DEFAULT, how can the US not default on a larger amount if they would default on the smaller amount?

Then we have central bankers declaring that they are going to keep interest rates low, near zero. That is simple jawboning. 10 year rates have gone up from 170 to 240 or nearly 50% in the last 8 months They can't control rates, just influence them. Suddenly Bankers are saying rates can't remain low forever. Not a word about their godlike powers for controlling rates. Now a 70 point increase in rates doesn't make a whole lot of practical difference, however if they did have a real control, that wouldn't have happened. All it indicates is that they are beginning to lose control, and unless they can find a magical solution, we are firmly in an endgame. Admittedly, they have been muddling through with remarkable success, but anything that can go wrong, will.

There are very many more technical reasons the bond market is between a rock and a hard place, but too long to go into here

Good luck to you and yours
Please do continue to discuss here and or get the word out about the novel. It is my hope that someone will read it and not be blindsided as the poor tourists on the beach in Thailand were by not recognizing the Tsunami until it was too late in the novel.

Allen

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Subject: Tony D


Author:
Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 13:14:24 07/05/13 Fri

Many thanks for your comments. Divergence of opinion welcomed since it polishes my thoughts.

Failure of the bond auction as detailed is already happening regularly. I am not in contact with the world very much so I don't know what the current numbers are but the Fed is buying well over the new issue, probably about 120% this year. So you are right about that. However having said that, 1) I needed a kind of trigger point that most people could understand, and 2) my forecast when I started learning to write in 1993 was that the bond market would be the trigger, whether that be out of Europe, Japan or the USA. Currently the bond market is between a rock and a hard place.

One evidence of that is the mere fact that the US is buying more bonds than it issues. Somebody (China et al) is dumping. They don't want to hold more USD or bonds. My own estimate is that China has dumped about $1 trillion in the two years 2011/2. They had US trade surpluses of about 280 billion per or 560 total. PLUS the % of their reserves in USD dropped by 11% from 65% to 54%, about another half a trillion.

Moreover, With all the hoo haw about the last raising of the US debt ceiling OR THEY WOULD DEFAULT, how can the US not default on a larger amount if they would default on the smaller amount?

Then we have central bankers declaring that they are going to keep interest rates low, near zero. That is simple jawboning. 10 year rates have gone up from 170 to 240 or nearly 50% in the last 8 months They can't control rates, just influence them. Suddenly Bankers are saying rates can't remain low forever. Not a word about their godlike powers for controlling rates. Now a 70 point increase in rates doesn't make a whole lot of practical difference, however if they did have a real control, that wouldn't have happened. All it indicates is that they are beginning to lose control, and unless they can find a magical solution, we are firmly in an endgame. Admittedly, they have been muddling through with remarkable success, but anything that can go wrong, will.

There are very many more technical reasons the bond market is between a rock and a hard place, but too long to go into here

Good luck to you and yours
Please do continue to discuss here and or get the word out about the novel. It is my hope that someone will read it and not be blindsided as the poor tourists on the beach in Thailand were by not recognizing the Tsunami until it was too late in the novel.

Allen

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Subject: U$Dollar 101 ... The Elephant in the Room


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Date Posted: 17:34:10 07/02/13 Tue

Please forgive the blatant promo, Allen. Gotta get the word out, somehow...



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Subject: MKC City College in Larnaca, is a fraud of a college..


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Date Posted: 16:12:54 06/24/13 Mon

I just want to make people aware that MKC City College college is run by crooks.It is a family run college in Larnaca,Cyprus, that takes advantage of students from poor countries.Students who apply to MKC City college from overseas are asked to pay a deposit of 450 euros.This deposit is supposed to be returned to the student at the end of their course.But in almost all cases this deposit is not returned.The director of MKC City college Mr. Costas C. Charalambous is a cheat and a liar.He decieves students and their agents into believing that they will be guaranteed their deposit when they leave the country.But the students rarely ever recieve their deposit back.The MKC City College website is also very deceiving as it says that there is plenty of cheap accomodation for students once they arrive.They quote false figures of the cost of rented accomodation as well as the cost of living.Leaving newly arrived students to be shocked at the high cost of rent in the city as well as the cost of living.MKC City College also tries to give the impression that it really cares and looks after the students needs,when in reality once students arrive they are practically left to their own devices.They are expected to find their own accomodation and find their way around the city by themselves,with no guidance or help.Mr. Costas C. Charalambous and his English wife Susan Taylor and the rest of the Charalambous family run the college purely for monetary gain,by decieving and lying to the students.Even their MKC City College website is full of deceipt,with photos of students standing outside a grand building and studying and laying about on college grounds that are very spacious,lush and green.The reality is that MKC City College is in a tatty old building abova a bakery!!With no college grounds at all and with small poky class rooms that are well due refurbishment.The computers are always breaking down and the computer systems at the college always seem to be full of viruses.It is an absolute disgrace and it is high time the ministry of education in Cyprus do something about this fraud of a college.I work for a Christian organisation here in Cyprus and many of the students have complained about the poor service of the college and how the College has cheated many of the students by not returning their deposit.Many have contacted me after they have returned to their country,complaining about the College's appaling treatment of them.This college is a disgrace,run by people with no ethics or pride.Costas Charalambous the director and his door mat of a wife Susan Taylor should be investigated by the police as well as the ministry of education.Their theft of the students deposits is disgusting!

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Subject: Cricketer


Author:
Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 18:36:29 05/01/13 Wed

All that may be true, but I doubt it is that dramatic. I doubt that it matters anyway with what I see coming down the pike.

Isn't it strange that we have pushed so many frontiers, in this case medical and financial. Say we do have an economic crash. Where will humanity get the "money" to throw at cures to throw at the cure for some of the super diseases just blossoming. This latest HN bird flu whatever it is called, has a 20+% mortality rate and spreads easily from human to human. The people who deal in population are mightily afraid that if one of these diseases gets away, that 95% or more of humanity will die. Each time it goes around it kills 20+%. (And the black death went through in waves Each time it killed 8-10%. If the total gets to 97% they are fearful that humanity may go extinct, being so scattered that they will be unable to find each other in order to breed back. Who will the Rothschild's et al have to lord it over then? (Assuming THEY survive.) I think this scenario is much more likely than the Jews taking over the world.

Secondly, I can't believe they control $500Tillion. Or even 10% of that amount. All the land, buildings etc in the US does not add up to that 10% amount. With no insult intended toward New Zealand, since it is not a major economic world force, if they did control that much money, why would they putz around New Zealand when the US, a major force in the world, not be their target? They would pick up New Zealand without noticing.

If Began did say these things, I point you to Hitler, who said these kind of things, and his 1000 year empire didn't last 1000 days. Ultimately, no person in power can remain in power unless the people below him support him at least tacitly through fear or whatever. You take orders from your boss because you think it will benefit you in one way or another. Slaves because of fear, Prisoners from fear but they will sabotage if possible. Would the whole world rollover and play slave if they could take over. Slaves only become slaves when THEY decide to, otherwise they are simply prisoners.

In the end, I think expanded on rumors are simply a way of shuffling off blame onto some nebulous "Godlike" entity. I know I blame my generation for the current government controlled mess we are in here in N. America. The Pols bribed us with pennies of our own money, and lots of spin. We suckers bit. Now we pay the price. Nor do I think the seen afterwards coincidence of a Jewish lady becoming Miss World on Began's birthday proves or supports anything.

I don't particularly like this sort of racism on my site, altho I have not attempted to find the ideas presented as wrong. If I could prove them wrong, I would forbid it out of hand, but it is not worth bothering about with so many crises looming on the horizon.

Allen

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Subject: The importance of planning 2 To be posted elsewhere


Author:
Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 17:23:39 04/03/13 Wed

The importance of planning 2
The world, particularly the US, Europe, and Japan, is sitting on a tipping point, a powder keg with about 50 lit fuses leading to it, induced through decades of active mismanagement, neglect, greed, and divorce from reality by humanity. A little voice says 'it can't happen here' but it shouldn't because history proves it likely will happen.

Mankinds mindset has become EXTREMELY skewed. Negative or any consequences are ignored. Because I can. (I have a gun and can take him out, ignoring the fact that he might shoot back and get luckier, or because I have an urge and contraceptive pill, I can practice indiscriminate sex and reproduction, I can and will, ignore the negatives of disease and world overpopulation, or because it doesnt kill me right away I can, and will pollute my body by smoking, or pollute my surroundings by injecting pollutants) It has become so good that we expect all our problems to be solved by authority using simple 10 second sound bites, even when it is shown they do not work. Insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results.
The number of man induced catastrophes available to comment on is pretty endless so I will limit myself to what I think is now unavoidable, failure of the financial system. The world financial system went bankrupt 17 August 2008.

Remember the mortgage derivatives? August 17 was the day governments around the world put aside their huge differences to first, change the rules that decide how derivatives were handled on bank balance sheets and, in the easy cases pumped more free money into the banks than if they had bought all their shares on the stock markets. In some of the worst cases around the world, they simply nationalized or absorbed the banks into government. Even today, if the banking system was forced to account for derivatives, even in the same airy fairy way they were doing before August 17, probably most banks around the world would be belly up, even with all that free government money on board. Mortgage based derivatives are only a very small percentage of the total derivatives market.

The total derivatives market has been estimated to be one and one half Quadrillion dollars. Nobody knows for sure. To put that in context, world GDP is estimated in the range of $60-70 trillion dollars. Divide 1,500,000,000,000,000 by 70,000,000,000,000 and you get about 11+ years of paying 100% of EVERY transaction made by everyone in the world to pay off those derivatives. (Which are ALL an obligation to pay, or loans with a fancy name.) Can you go 11+ years without money for food and other small things in life? Never mind the LOANS admitted to by governments, commercials, or individuals. The US government is admitting to $16,5 trillion in loans ON the books, and another $50-80 trillion in obligations OFF the books. (Not that they have the disease worse than most, but they are so huge and are the basis for the world monetary system, so nothing else really matters.) The hoo haw about the last raising of the debt ceiling or the US would default, proves conclusively that IF the US would default on the money then owed, how will they not default on a larger amount?

There are nine or ten ways the US dollar may go to zero, but all are based on one thing, confidence. You take that piece of green toilet tissue for your assets or time because you have CONFIDENCE you can take it down to the grocers and exchange it for food. The moment you dont believe (true or not) the grocer will exchange it for food, you will demand to be paid in something else, food or whatever. OR you will take your ball and go home.

What will happen if confidence fails, as it surely must? It is already happening. My own estimate is that China has dumped about $1 trillion US dollars in two years. Cyprus is but a small, but frightening example.

Well, first of all you had better have a garden. You will need food because nobody is going to have much food in our high rise, just in time, urban atmosphere. Currently the US imports 2/3 of its hydrocarbon needs. If the US dollar becomes worthless, how will the US supply its transportation needs, never mind the farmers to grow the food? That is today, not some distant, airy fairy estimate of hydrocarbon self sufficiency. People, like those in cities of 500,000 plus, are going to run out of groceries in literally hours. How long till the social structure breaks down and rioting starts? It will likely be worse in larger cities.

Well, being a long way from the fan sounds like a good place to be. I am. It is over 100 km to the nearest population centre of over 100,000 people and over 50 km to the nearest collection of 40 or so houses. My nearest year round neighbour is over 10 km away. True, I have no electricity, cell phone coverage, land line, internet, or TV coverage. But I can get along without these things. I do now.

True, I have a fairly significant store of some things like salt, which will become difficult to get, but by and large I am self sufficient. I plan to grab what is now costly (like two inch poly water pipe) but will be very unimportant at the time of Armageddon. I have been buying all sorts of fruit and nut trees, several hundred dollars of vegetable seeds. Etc.

To research, I went to Antarctica supplies (and the far north) to see what was required to support life. It is in the tons. I also researched what pioneers found most valuable because they could not haul huge weights with them on their journey into the wilderness. (Sharp edges like saws and axes were golden. Surprisingly, many forgot seeds, just as many preppers/survivalists are forgetting can openers, needles and toilet tissue.)

Now I had an idea what was valuable, I could plan accordingly. My novel, Operation Phoenix available in download, free sample read, and hard copy at www.AllenCurrie.ca expands on conditions that I foresee happening at Armageddon.
More to come in a couple of weeks.
Allen Currie

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Author:
Bronwyn (Enjoyed our talk last tweek.)
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Date Posted: 23:16:53 04/22/13 Mon

>The importance of planning 2
>The world, particularly the US, Europe, and Japan, is
>sitting on a tipping point, a powder keg with about 50
>lit fuses leading to it, induced through decades of
>active mismanagement, neglect, greed, and divorce from
>reality by humanity. A little voice says 'it can't
>happen here' but it shouldn't because history proves
>it likely will happen.
>
>Mankinds mindset has become EXTREMELY skewed.
>Negative or any consequences are ignored. Because I
>can. (I have a gun and can take him out, ignoring
>the fact that he might shoot back and get luckier, or
>because I have an urge and contraceptive pill, I can
>practice indiscriminate sex and reproduction, I can
>and will, ignore the negatives of disease and world
>overpopulation, or because it doesnt kill me right
>away I can, and will pollute my body by smoking, or
>pollute my surroundings by injecting pollutants) It
>has become so good that we expect all our problems to
>be solved by authority using simple 10 second sound
>bites, even when it is shown they do not work.
>Insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting
>different results.
>The number of man induced catastrophes available to
>comment on is pretty endless so I will limit myself to
>what I think is now unavoidable, failure of the
>financial system. The world financial system went
>bankrupt 17 August 2008.
>
>Remember the mortgage derivatives? August 17 was the
>day governments around the world put aside their huge
>differences to first, change the rules that decide how
>derivatives were handled on bank balance sheets and,
>in the easy cases pumped more free money into the
>banks than if they had bought all their shares on the
>stock markets. In some of the worst cases around the
>world, they simply nationalized or absorbed the
>banks into government. Even today, if the banking
>system was forced to account for derivatives, even in
>the same airy fairy way they were doing before August
>17, probably most banks around the world would be
>belly up, even with all that free government money
>on board. Mortgage based derivatives are only a very
>small percentage of the total derivatives market.
>
>The total derivatives market has been estimated to be
>one and one half Quadrillion dollars. Nobody knows for
>sure. To put that in context, world GDP is estimated
>in the range of $60-70 trillion dollars. Divide
>1,500,000,000,000,000 by 70,000,000,000,000 and you
>get about 11+ years of paying 100% of EVERY
>transaction made by everyone in the world to pay off
>those derivatives. (Which are ALL an obligation to
>pay, or loans with a fancy name.) Can you go 11+ years
>without money for food and other small things in life?
>Never mind the LOANS admitted to by governments,
>commercials, or individuals. The US government is
>admitting to $16,5 trillion in loans ON the books, and
>another $50-80 trillion in obligations OFF the books.
>(Not that they have the disease worse than most, but
>they are so huge and are the basis for the world
>monetary system, so nothing else really matters.) The
>hoo haw about the last raising of the debt ceiling or
>the US would default, proves conclusively that IF the
>US would default on the money then owed, how will they
>not default on a larger amount?
>
>There are nine or ten ways the US dollar may go to
>zero, but all are based on one thing, confidence. You
>take that piece of green toilet tissue for your assets
>or time because you have CONFIDENCE you can take it
>down to the grocers and exchange it for food. The
>moment you dont believe (true or not) the grocer will
>exchange it for food, you will demand to be paid in
>something else, food or whatever. OR you will take
>your ball and go home.
>
>What will happen if confidence fails, as it surely
>must? It is already happening. My own estimate is that
>China has dumped about $1 trillion US dollars in two
>years. Cyprus is but a small, but frightening example.
>
>Well, first of all you had better have a garden. You
>will need food because nobody is going to have much
>food in our high rise, just in time, urban atmosphere.
>Currently the US imports 2/3 of its hydrocarbon needs.
>If the US dollar becomes worthless, how will the US
>supply its transportation needs, never mind the
>farmers to grow the food? That is today, not some
>distant, airy fairy estimate of hydrocarbon self
>sufficiency. People, like those in cities of 500,000
>plus, are going to run out of groceries in literally
>hours. How long till the social structure breaks down
>and rioting starts? It will likely be worse in larger
>cities.
>
>Well, being a long way from the fan sounds like a good
>place to be. I am. It is over 100 km to the nearest
>population centre of over 100,000 people and over 50
>km to the nearest collection of 40 or so houses. My
>nearest year round neighbour is over 10 km away.
>True, I have no electricity, cell phone coverage, land
>line, internet, or TV coverage. But I can get along
>without these things. I do now.
>
>True, I have a fairly significant store of some things
>like salt, which will become difficult to get, but by
>and large I am self sufficient. I plan to grab what is
>now costly (like two inch poly water pipe) but will be
>very unimportant at the time of Armageddon. I have
>been buying all sorts of fruit and nut trees, several
>hundred dollars of vegetable seeds. Etc.
>
>To research, I went to Antarctica supplies (and the
>far north) to see what was required to support life.
>It is in the tons. I also researched what pioneers
>found most valuable because they could not haul huge
>weights with them on their journey into the
>wilderness. (Sharp edges like saws and axes were
>golden. Surprisingly, many forgot seeds, just as many
>preppers/survivalists are forgetting can openers,
>needles and toilet tissue.)
>
>Now I had an idea what was valuable, I could plan
>accordingly. My novel, Operation Phoenix available
>in download, free sample read, and hard copy at
>www.AllenCurrie.ca expands on conditions that I
>foresee happening at Armageddon.
>More to come in a couple of weeks.
>Allen Currie

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Date Posted: 17:10:39 04/03/13 Wed

Importance of planning 3
As I outlined in my previous articles, I researched every combination of events I could think of, both natural (eg weather) and manmade. Once I established what I thought MIGHT happen, I could then prepare a reasonable response. I spent five years in this research.

On the natural events side it was pretty clear to me that weather, and other things like solar flares, would be significant in my survival. With that in mind I started studying where in the world weather might be modified to lesser extremes. There were a number of candidates. As I said, I loved the idea of the west coast of North America as a go to ground, but changed my mind. One of the most significant modifiers are largish bodies of water such as the Great Lakes. Not really large enough to CREATE weather, but large enough to modify it. Proximity to the Great Lakes turned out to be key in my final selection. During the dirty, dustbowl 30s, there was adequate precipitation in some areas, particularly where a currently existing warm weather zone poked its nose up from the US into Canada. The second reason I loved this area was that there existed millions of acres of undeveloped wilderness, satisfying my need for maximum isolation. Unfortunately it was all crown land with no purchases allowed.

Show me a politician who doesnt have a favorite job creation program, and I will show you a dead politician. All one has to do is show that one is creating or potentially creating jobs, plus follow the inane paperwork and rules attached to the project. Most jurisdictions look to mineral rights, so I will use that example.

In this jurisdiction you buy a prospectors license ($25 and a valid at the time - address.) plus staking tags (25 cents or $1 each, I forget. Four needed per 400 metre on a side claim. you can stake up to one square mile of claims in one place.) Get your hands on a map of locations open for staking. (Every Department of Natural Resources whatever it is called has one, often on the net,) Cross compare available spaces with a detailed topographical map. If I were doing it, I would look for slightly hilly terrain with swampy areas in the valleys. Say with a beaver dam (which indicates both precipitation and running fresh(ish) water) The area above the dam, now or recently covered with water, will be quite flat, and GOOD soil. Kill off the beavers, or let the wolves do it for you. You now have a ready-made growing area as the beaver pond drains. After picking out two or three potentially good areas on the maps, you have to get to the area to view it personally. Detailed topographical maps usually show trails, fire access roads and things like skidoo trails. With an ATV or 4wheel drive vehicle you can usually drive in. (Remember you are going to have to make some kind of road from where you can drive to, to your camp-site)

Survey out your claim, stake it and register it. (cost about $28 per 400 metre claim.) Now get an occupancy permit. Dont know at what cost, but not very significant. Here you can camp on crown land anywhere without an occupancy permit, but you have to move your camp every 21 days at least 100 metres. The permit removes the obligation to move. Still, here, you may not have a Permanent structure. Any structure MUST be mobile, ie hitch up and move it. Break ANY ONE of their rules and they can turf you out.

Now you are in a position to be able to haul in (By dozer, etc) say a 40 foot steel ocean going container as living quarters. (It is very difficult to modify the container way back in the bush with no electricity, etc. so have skids welded to the container and holes for windows cut back in civilization when you buy it. Ask me, I made that mistake.) It is easy to haul in some 2X4s, some chipboard, painted, for interior walls, some quality insulation (Which is one of the few modern devices I am allowing myself to use on an ongoing basis because it has such a long life.) one or more wood stoves, (I paid $175 for two) a dry composting toilet (Scrounged at the dump) (I have no problem using modern, labor saving devices on a one time basis, but my first goal is to be self sufficient. Eg. I dont object to using modern equipment to break land, but I want to be able to hand or horse till it. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.)

Now I have a cosy, (I can easily roast myself out on the coldest days.) habitation, which with a few defensive measures, will be a pretty tough nut to crack should a roving group of bandits actually find me. (I do expect to be found about twice a year, Once by bad guys and once by friendlies, which I may be able to add to my community.)

There are a myriad of regulations which can be a pain or a godsend depending on how you use them. Here, to maintain the claim you must do $400 per year of work on each claim. (And make appropriate filings) BUT you can do $800 and bank $400 for next year. The numbers were made up way back when $400 was a months wage. A single grizzled old prospector had to work almost all year to support 10 claims. Today one can claim work at $200 per day, so you can bank a lot. Rather than use man hours to inspect, they require photos and samples of what you found. (Read the regulations carefully.) So two days digging to get rock samples per claim gets you through the year. No taxes or other costs required. Free rent legally, and very few direct costs otherwise.

My novel, Operation Phoenix (Available in Download, hard copy, and free sample read at www.AllenCurrie.ca ) takes a different location, but the same economic disaster I envisage and uses the same type of logic to cope with that downfall.

Allen

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The importance of planning 4
In my previous articles on this subject I mentioned the five years of research and planning that had gone into the project of bugging out. To plan one needs as much data as possible to determine what exactly one is planning for. It does not help to plan for a Tsunami when it is a drought that breaks your back. You are never going to be totally correct, but you must pick things that will serve you well in a variety of circumstances, whether you believe they may happen or not.

I made up a huge spreadsheet with potential threats across the top, and down the side I listed items of interest. For example, food, which I further broke down as Food-Animals and Food plants. Then under each threat I listed advantages or detailed threats pertaining to that item. Example Food; Animals, under the heading of financial collapse, Necessary both as food and motive power. Eventually I abandoned the spread sheets in favor of tabs in a loose leaf binder for each major requirement I had eg, food, security, energy, etc. Seven major groups. Then I broke food down to Animals, goats, pigs, or horses, etc. And finally pages for breeds (Pluses and minuses) what they required to be useful, (eg. Horses need harness) what they needed for maintenance, and how they might react to predators common in the area. (Donkeys hate bears and are pretty good at killing them, but their voice footprint is horrendous.)

I eventually settled on: two hives of bees, four each (one male and three females) of rabbits, pigs, goats, dogs, and up to 25 birds. Definitely some chickens but possibly plus Guinea hens. (guinea hens are smaller, as are their eggs, but they rustle for food better and avoid predators better. They are also more prone to going wild and leaving the coop.) My other big want is horses, but they require a huge infrastructure. They are big hay burners and are prone to wander huge distances, often in all different directions. I would also need equipment such as plows to make them useful.

Remember, I am on crown land and under the rules, I may not have anything permanent. I started my infrastructure by building some barns on skids. Eight by ten feet and I could call them storage sheds, so long as animals were not present. Take care of your animals and they will take care of you. I learned where a number of nearby specialty farms with these kind of animals were so they would likely have my choices available for a brief time at least. After TEOTWAWKI, government is unlikely to have an interest in some crazy old coot way back in the bush. I figure I have about a week to get my animal situation resolved. In the meantime, as long as I dont have animals, I am not tied to one place to care for the animals, twice a day.

My gardens required a bit different approach. Fruit and nut trees require several years (usually about seven) to mature enough to fruit. Perennials, such as horse radish (Flavor for foods) and rhubarb usually require large developed root systems to be prolific enough to be practical. Another time consumer. Annuals are all about viability of seeds. Kept carefully, viability decreases yearly, but some percentage will sprout. That gives me plants for new seed but not for food. Ah well, next year. Such are the problems of self sufficiency.

I had to have a mobile garden, so I cut two 25 foot logs as skids, stripped the bark off some three inch saplings, (they keep better if they dry out) and nailed them to the skids. Then I raided dumps for four fridges, and 10 discarded bathtubs.

One of the fridges, a really old baby with a heavy steel interior I reserved for a drying/smoking work. Put a 3-4 inch hole in the top and bottom, screen shelves in the interior and you have a smoker. Build a sun collector house (A triangular thing about 12 inches on a side and a length of about three feet. Lay it down on one of the 12 inch sides, put something black inside which will collect sun heat. The two sides that are up must be glass so the sun can get through to warm the black stovepipe or whatever you have used as black. Cap off both ends and add a two plus inch a pipe inlet near the bottom of one end and another similar sized pipe on the other end, near the top of the triangle, running to the bottom of your smoker, and now you have a dryer.)(The cooler air comes in the solar heater, heats and rises, flows upward into what is now a dryer) I found some flexible commercial clothes dryer aluminum pipe at the dump which worked well.

The other fridges I cut as much sheet metal from (very useful stuff), punched holes in the back for drainage, and laid them on their backs on the sledge above. The bath tubs I just put in place on the sledge. I found an abandoned sawmill, and one end of the sawdust pile had composted well. I hauled that back and filled the fridges and bathtubs, mixing in some swamp peat moss, etc. Now I had some movable raised gardens. Perennials, like horse radish, are often quite invasive. In limited spaces such as I was using, they couldnt invade outside their container. I also used large three foot pots for some of my fruit and nut trees. Now I can let them all grow for two or three years without worrying about anything but watering and over wintering. Pests have been a very minor problem, except for my gooseberry plants which I lose to something very strange, every year.

Effective planning revolves around planning for what is actually going to happen in your circumstances. My research involved itself in what trends had happened in similar circumstances throughout history. My book, Operation Phoenix gives instances common in any collapse I have been able to research, going back to the Romans. It is available as a download, free sample read, or hard copy at www.AllenCurrie.ca

Allen

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The importance of planning 5

A few years into my planning efforts, I finally realized that all my work was theoretical. True I had lived on a dirt poor farm, AND during the dirty 30s so I knew some of the problems and solutions I was dealing with. More so than most people alive today. Still, I knew that theoretical was very prone to mistakes.

I decided to move out to my camp, and immediately began to find mistakes. I had been accumulating stuff that I thought would be useful in commercial storage. I wanted to be rid of that constant storage expense. I moved everything from the storage unit to the 40 foot container that I was planning for my house.. Filled a fairly big percentage of the container. Then I realized that I couldnt build false walls and insulate inside the container with all that stuff in there. I couldnt move much of it outside into the rain, My plan to build barns and call them storage sheds was becoming real.

Building using only one person is very much more inefficient than with two or more. Say you have a 5/8 panel of chipboard. It is fairly heavy, but one person can manage it. You want to get it tight under your rafters to stop insects. You get it tight, pick up a nail in one hand, a hammer in the other, and the darned thing always slips at least a little. Finally you have to build something, a sort of shelf, under it to hold it up so you can nail the chipboard in place. Two men could easily do it in half an hour or less. One man can spend five to six hours fiddling with it. Remember, I have no electricity or other useful things there. I dont want to hire anyone who is going to know where my weaknesses are or even where it is located. I had very severely underestimated the time I needed.

Then along came government with changes in the rules. The rule changes pretty much shot my first summer. One barn completed with only plastic sheeting over the roof, no shingles, no insulation or interior walls. Moreover, when I had been researching for best place I had noticed a tectonic fault line very close. I couldnt find any mention of earthquake on it, ever. I decided it was pretty dormant. I hadnt been there two months when we got a 3.4 quake. Not big in terms of California, the Philippines, or Japan but pointed out the shortcomings of my theories.

In the spring I had come in earlier than the previous year with my four wheel drive vehicle. I got about half way to the camp along this skidoo trail from the nearest so called road, and hit a sink hole, literally quicksand. I spent over a week jacking, digging and come alonging my way out of this mess. Then three days filling in the holes that I had made. It was nearly a month before it dried enough that I could get in and out. Up here you top up the gas tank every chance you get, AND carry one or two jerry cans of gas plus tools and supplies at all times. Gas stations and stores are few and very far between.

I thought I would like to over winter that fall, so I began to cut and split firewood. I built another sledge to insure the firewood would dry and stacked my firewood on it. I also transported in enough shingles and lumber to finish the second storehouse/barn. By now I was half way through July, so I finished my first barn and started on my second. I also found a quite straight tree to cut and skin the bark off for a fifty foot skid under my container. Snaking a 50 foot tree through the bush by hand is not easy or fun. By late September I had moved a lot of stuff from the container to the Barns by wheel barrow. Not all, but I had some room to work. I was pretty sour about the quality of my planning, particularly not having thought to install steel skids under the container, and to cut windows while it was back in civilization.

While the container was light I decided to jack it up so I could get my skids under it. I got some large cement building blocks, and started going around the container from corner to corner with my 20 ton jack, raising the container about half an inch per set till I could get some blocks in the open space at each corner. It seemed a bit tippy and it slewed around, mostly off the blocks. I swore a lot and manhandled/jacked it back to where It should be. I thought that once I got it set that the weight would keep it in place. In the end I bought a number of 4X4 wood timbers and cross stacked them to make a two foot by three crib which was much more stable.

We got our first snow. I puttered around securing the site and my gardens for winter for a couple of weeks. I figured at worst I could survive if I got stuck in camp, but it would be uncomfortable with no insulation in place. I did have 15 of these 18 litre fountain plastic jugs as potable water, a supply of things like spaghetti, which would have been boring but filling, my two woodstoves, sleeping bags, etc. It turned out that the snow came and went, came and went. The roads were horrendous.

I went to a nearby motel (50+ km) and arranged a fairly reasonable rent so I could do a penultimate edit on my novel, Operation Phoenix and begin to consider how to market it. The novel is available as a download, hard copy, and a free sample read at www.AllenCurrie.ca It discusses, at a New York location, conditions that history says will develop.

Allen

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Date Posted: 16:43:21 04/03/13 Wed

The importance of planning 6
I cannot stress enough that when planning, knowing what you are planning for is paramount. It is remarkable how little attention N. Americans pay to the consequences of our thoughts and actions. If you drop a large stone on some bodies toe, you can predict 1) (S)he will likely try to avoid the rock, or 2) will yelp and try to remove toe from under stone. Where all too many fail is in the next probable reaction, possibly a punch in the nose. Many people wont react further until the punch is on the way.

Mankind, even when he is being irrational en masse is quite predictable. If there is a panic over available food, and the shelves are getting stripped of food, humans will buy or steal all sorts of items that they have never used and never will again for fear of missing out. In a tense situation logic circuits seem to be over-ridden by emotional cave man circuits. The army has learned this lesson well, and trains and trains so the training becomes the instinct, or tends to. Getting shot at is usually a tense situation.

Lets deal with the massively complex situation of the US dollar becoming worthless. (Which I, with a lot of broad financial/economic experience, believe will happen. When I dont know. You cannot print money to infinity without consequence. Lenders only lend under the assumption that they will get paid back.) The first thing that will happen is that international trade will stop, completely. The US, and much of the world has become totally dependent on other parts of the world for special parts for the final product. For example, the only factory in the world manufacturing an essential component for the steering for the cruise missile is in China. In a totally chaotic atmosphere, how long would it take to build a factory in the US to produce this part? It aint gonna happen in a chaotic situation. The US imports two thirds of its hydrocarbon requirements. If the rest of the world decides the US dollar is worthless, who is going to sell hydrocarbons to the US? With no hydrocarbons, there will be no invasions. With no hydrocarbons there will be no food transported into the cities. With no hydrocarbons there will be no building of new factories. Even the money printing presses will shut down. With no food, some will wait for gummint to do something, most will get out to agitate and riot, but some will try to fill their bellies in any way they can. Or any combination of the above.

What most people refuse to look at is the domino effect. If the cruise missile part is not available, the whole cruise missile industry goes down. If the computer in a store goes out, everything shuts down. If the electricity goes off you wont even be able to buy gas. The pumps are all electric. More insidiously, much of society operates on a perceived entitlement, a sense that what we have today is a birthright. If we dont get it we have a right to get even with the man, usually by rioting, looting, or whatever.

In a word we are looking at chaos. And we built it ourselves. It was easier to jump into the SUV to run down to the corner store than to walk a block. We grasshoppers fiddled the good times away by refusing to consider the longer term consequences. So, what do we do now?
Right now, very few people are open to the idea of discussing this, let alone preparing for it. Lets say you are a good little prepper and have laid by a stock of food, water, guns and ammo. Sooner or later you are going to run out, but more likely you are going to be out in your front yard to get some sunshine (You cant stay inside your prison fortress forever) and an unfriendly gets the drop on you. I leave the rest to your imagination.

We need to examine carefully the now cast in stone assumptions we have as a result of having spent our lives thus far in a consumer society. We will have to find ways of sustaining ourselves in the long haul. We will have to change, and people naturally resist change, especially if it means less of what we have become accustomed to. We will individually have to become nearer to self sufficiency for when we run out of food. Survivors will have more callused hands from producing food. One does not go out into the back yard, throw out a handful of seeds and two weeks later be living in the land of plenty. All living things are fussy about their living conditions. Do you know what ALL those conditions are for all your food supplies?

Secondly, we have to get rid of this Im not involved attitude. We must become a community, willing to fight and even die for each other personally. This wont work with a community as large as America, or even New York city. (Even if you can define its limits.) It has to be a small community, maximum 2-300 people, where everyone is familiar with everyone else, enough so that they can rely on that person in a difficult situation. They have to know Janet or Joe is terrified of spiders or heights and cant be relied on for logical reactions at height, but is very good at other things. Long term survival in the aftermath of systemic collapse will require community. A community which considers longer term consequences more than the world now does.

My novel, Operation Phoenix, works toward this goal in the chaotic 30 days after an economic collapse. The sequel, if I can ever get it written, will show among other things, the difficulties of actually achieving such a goal. Operation Phoenix is available in hard copy, download and a free sample read at www.AllenCurrie.ca

Allen

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Date Posted: 04:33:52 03/31/13 Sun

Jessica

Your bank Infrastructure and legislation point is extremely important, and one that I have not seen anyone raise yet. Another factor that goes right along with that is the attitude of the banks. They are sooo much nearer to divinity than anyone else. Too big to fail, and all that. And yes, banks have managed to enslave everyone from government to individuals with debt. And we keep tightening our own chains by borrowing more and more. What percentage of the people you know have a (even a mostly) paid off house and credit cards that are paid off monthly? What percentage of the people you know are scrambling to make payments as they come due? This last crowd is enslaved.

Nevertheless, banks survive only on the confidence of their depositors. On record, in the US, there are "solvent" banks that have been cleaned out and bankrupted in less than two hours. Therein lies the danger of Cyprus. A global bank run turning into a global currency run. It didnt help that Spain taxed their banks three percent, relying on them to pass this cost on to their customers. If you have ever read the terms and conditions that you sign to open a bank account you know they can take your first born at will. Even in comatose N. America, some people began to think and change their habits. All of this works against the global banking system as it exists today. Personally, on the Monday following Cyprus I very anxiously watched the rest of Europe for a massive bank run. There were some withdrawls, but a general panic was avoided. However, confidence in banks took a huge hit around the world. People put their money in banks because it is safe. Suddenly it was apparent that their money was not safe from government. It wont take many more straws to break this camels back.

I disagree with the idea that a global banking system will solve this particular problem. There will always be some weak dominoes if only in some crazy dictatorship. Too many tweeks by individual country governments. Too many countries where graft is massively present. There is effectively no rule of law in these countries. I cant see that changing. In fact, we currently have a fairly efficient global banking system under the US generated SWIFT system. But the US recently threw a straw on the camels back by cutting Iran off from that system as part of its power play to bring Iran to its knees. That woke governments around the world. Enough so that the BRIICs and eastern block countries are a long way to setting up their own clearing system which shuts out the US. The US was so astonished that they were not invited, and later refused admission, to these meetings. Too bad that they did not consider the consequences of their own actions.

In support of the above, I offer your statement Until then, my sock drawer works well

Allen

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Date Posted: 08:47:25 03/21/13 Thu

This Cypress thing is huge. It could easily be the straw that broke the camels back.. If not, the next straw will. Everyone knows that once the moronic governments get an idea that something is possible, they are going to use it, whether Cypress actually goes ahead or not. There is this huge pile of cash just siting there when "gummint" could be spending it. Irresistable.

I am seeing confidence in banks falling all around the world. Of course, in the end Russia will bail them out, overtly or covertly. They will extract a high price, probably in deep water oil and gas drilling rights around the island. The comatose holi poli will sit back, another problem solved. It isn't solved in terms of GDP going forward, in fact it is exacerbated.

May God bless us all, each and every one. We're gonna need divine intervention.
Allen

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Date Posted: 07:30:46 03/22/13 Fri

Yes sure sounds like we're going to need it.

Until be get to a unified global banking system and defined interactions, each "weak domino" is at risk. Tho from what I know, it's likely many many years away.

Though internet run using bit coins etc will help drive it.

Unfortunately, I think the big banks, won't react well. (they just have too much legacy infrastructure and banking legislation)

Kinda like rail, when airplanes came along. There'll still be a (smaller) place for mainstream banks (like big biz) but a lot of people would certainly rather "take off" from them into better/quicker/cheaper, if there's a reasonable alternative. (which isn't here yet:(

Until then, my sock drawer works well ..J

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Date Posted: 06:26:29 03/21/13 Thu

My goodness, what do you think about all the Cyprus issues? Looks pretty dire to me, with lots of ramifications (again)

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Date Posted: 11:26:56 03/20/13 Wed

The End Of The World As We Know It (TEOTWAWKI) will undoubtedly change the life of anyone alive today more than any life has been changed in history, if only because we have climbed higher than ever before in history, and now have further to fall. A couple of examples leap to mind. In the 1500s many things had to be reinvented that were in existence in the 900s before the dark ages. 2) In 1990 when the USSR went down, the hi-tech things like atomic submarines sat and rusted and polluted to the extent that Russia INVITED the US to come in and rescue them. The fact that we have hi-tech does not necessarily mean that it will survive. 3) How many people alive today can even imagine how to cope with even the conditions that existed in the dirty 30s. As one of the people who can remember, I KNOW how few. Damned few. And they are all 75 or older.

In Feb. 1987 when someone jiggled the jigsaw enough that a picture of where we were headed formed for me, I began to prepare. I bought paper gold thinking I would be rich after. During the crash of 1987, I was serene. As the crash unfolded I learned, a LOT. Gold was not enough, and certainly not paper gold. I had to be able to bug out too, as well as being somewhat self sufficient. Then it became apparent that being in an isolated area was far better. I picked the west coast where mankind has survived for ten thousand years, until I was reminded that the Juan de Fuka tectonic plate I was thinking of residing on was being ground to bits and driven under the North American plate. Besides it was 4,000 miles away and packing and moving there was not going to be accomplished overnight. Ooops. I was missing a whole lot of things I should be thinking about. Some were natural, some were man made.

Being a glider pilot, I stay aloft by knowing a bit more about weather than the average bear. What I knew persuaded me that, in human terms, great weather change was coming. I studied the real experts, not the five second training, instant screaming types and found a couple of very significant probable trends. No point in moving to an area that was going to turn to desert or an ice capped island just about the time you got your settling in problems solved which will take about five years.

1) The world is adding 300 million new mouths to feed each year. Glider pilots know the easiest way to find rising air is to find a nice black ROOFTOP, or blacktopped highway. The sun heats it more quickly than the surroundings producing hot, rising air. CO2 does retain heat, but the real experts say it only contributes two percent to global warming. Much of the balance comes from the forests being turned to black earth to feed that extra 300 million new mouths per annum. That alone, even in the short term, is enough to effect significant climate change.

2) There exists an ocean desert off the coast of Chile which now just touches Chiles west coast. Ocean deserts are especially vicious. One land based weather station in that desert has never recorded ANY precipitation in its 100+ year existence. The probability is that that desert will expand within the next decade. The current increasing drought conditions in Texas and elsewhere lend credence to this theory. That desert is projected to expand east half way through Brazil, then due north into the US to about the latitude of Californias north border, then west out to sea. Will the loss of the SW quarter of the USA (and central America) affect world food production? How about those who bug out to the mountains? It certainly will affect weather permanently throughout North America, if it comes to pass that permanent hot desert will create a high which will deflect the jet stream. The jet stream now varies from moving more or less east near the Canadian border to continuing south along the Rockies, bringing precip to the western US before heading east and then north. With the high in place, it would likely track directly east about the latitude of the Canadian border. Not good for anyone living in what may become desert.

3) I also found that there were concerns about the Japan ocean current which runs more or less north-east to North America, then turns north to Alaska, where it cools sufficiently that the water becomes saline enough that the current sinks and begins its long journey back to the equator to pick up more calories of heat. (The Gulf stream, which flows up the Atlantic coast is slowing too) Water can carry huge quantities of calories per cubic whatever. Global warming plus the addition of more fresh water was disturbing the saline balance of the current to the point that the current is in danger of not turning down for the return trip, thus stopping it entirely.

Mother nature will still try to move those calories and her only tool to do so will be air, which holds many less calories per cubic whatever. This means she must move a far greater volume, faster. That means unprecedented storms. Fast moving hurricanes will likely become daily events. True, the EASTern slopes of the Rockies will probably benefit as the warm, humid air is pushed up and over the Rockies, cooling it enough that precipitation is the result.

Not that we can be positive these things will happen, but now we know there is a risk, it would be foolish to ignore it. I began to seriously look at every possible future I could think of, both from natural causes such as solar flares to, man-made causes such as financial collapse. AND to make notes. These notes and my immediate risk analysis led directly to my novel Operation Phoenix available as both a download or as a hard copy at www.AllenCurrie.ca. A free sample read is available.
More to come in a couple of weeks.
Allen Currie

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Subject: Excerpt from article


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Date Posted: 07:35:09 02/13/13 Wed

This just out on the 8 of Feb. I found the beginnings on Sinclairs site, jsmineset.com

FED HAS BOUGHT MORE U.S. GOV'T DEBT THIS YEAR THAN THE TREASURY HAS ISSUED

Here is the link:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/fed-has-bought-more-us-gov-t-debt-year-treasury-has-issued

Here are the appropriate links referenced in the article.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

Federal Debt outstanding as of the end of the calendar year 2012: 16,432,730,050,569.12

Federal Debt outstanding as of February 6, 2013: 16,479,954,658,103.57

Amount of Increase in Debt: 47,224,607,534.40

If I did my math correctly, the size of the Federal Debt increased $47.224 Billion since the beginning of the year.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

Now look at the Fed Balance sheet holdings of US Treasuries over that same period.

Fed Treasury Holdings as of Wednesday, January 2, 2013: 1,666,118

Fed Treasury Holdings as of Wednesday, February 6, 2013: 1,717,182

Amount of Increase in Fed Treasury Holdings since the beginning of the year: $51.064 Billion

That is $3.879 BILLION MORE than the US Treasury has issued this year!

Again, I have no idea how this is supposed to be possible but the numbers are what they are. Scotty beam me up. We are freakin doomed!
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The reason is simple. To manage interest rates the US must interfere in the market place. Interest rates are artificially low now, and the price of bonds is artificially high. In managing the market they either buy or sell bonds at their determined price. In this case the US has to buy anything offered at their specific price to avoid the price dropping which would raise interest rates. Some people who want out of the US Dollar (Probably China) have worked this out and are dumping their bonds at auction time. Additionally, if the US doesnt buy, the auction will be a failed auction, and THAT would definitely rattle the market of the worlds reserve currency

The end is nigh.

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Subject: Exerpt from article


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Allen Currie
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Date Posted: 07:25:25 02/13/13 Wed


This just out on the 8 of Feb. I found the beginnings on Sinclairs site, jsmineset.com

FED HAS BOUGHT MORE U.S. GOV'T DEBT THIS YEAR THAN THE TREASURY HAS ISSUED

Here is the link:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/fed-has-bought-more-us-gov-t-debt-year-treasury-has-issued

Here are the appropriate links referenced in the article.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

Federal Debt outstanding as of the end of the calendar year 2012: 16,432,730,050,569.12

Federal Debt outstanding as of February 6, 2013: 16,479,954,658,103.57

Amount of Increase in Debt: 47,224,607,534.40

If I did my math correctly, the size of the Federal Debt increased $47.224 Billion since the beginning of the year.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

Now look at the Fed Balance sheet holdings of US Treasuries over that same period.

Fed Treasury Holdings as of Wednesday, January 2, 2013: 1,666,118

Fed Treasury Holdings as of Wednesday, February 6, 2013: 1,717,182

Amount of Increase in Fed Treasury Holdings since the beginning of the year: $51.064 Billion

That is $3.879 BILLION MORE than the US Treasury has issued this year!

Again, I have no idea how this is supposed to be possible but the numbers are what they are. Scotty beam me up. We are freakin doomed!
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The reason is simple. To manage interest rates they must interfere in the market place. Interest rates are artificially low now, and the price of bonds is artificially high. In managing the market they either buy or sell bonds at their determined price. In this case they have to buy anything offered at their specific price to avoid the price dropping which would raise interest rates. Some people who want out of the US Dollar (Probably China) have worked this out and are dumping their bonds at auction time. Additionally, if the US doesnt buy, the auction will be a failed auction, and THAT would definitely rattle the market of the worlds reserve currency

The end is nigh.

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Subject: An excerpt from Chris Matensons PeakProsperity.com


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Date Posted: 03:30:52 02/13/13 Wed

Personally I would likely phrase some of these differently, however my way nis njot always the right way.
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If you find you assess the risks at or above the 'moderate' level (which I do), then consider strongly the following guidance:
Exchange paper assets for tangible ones. Acquire exposure to the precious metals; we recommend having at least 10% of your net worth in gold and silver (for those new to owning precious metals, you may want to read our buyer's guide). Above that, if possible, invest in productive hard assets. Holdings like farmland, timberland, energy deposits, and mineral/water rights are assets that will produce units that will generate an income for you.
Find a sympatico adviser to manage any remaining paper wealth. For many reasons, most of us will still keep a percentage of our wealth in the stock and bond markets (in retirement/pension accounts, 529 plans, etc). If you're in the defensive camp, make sure the adviser managing your money is, too. There are several we endorse, but we're impartial about whether you work with them or not. The important point here is to work with the adviser whose outlook is most closely aligned with yours.
Cultivate resiliency. Most Peak Prosperity readers are well-aware of our recommendations here. Start at the individual level to prepare both physically and emotionally so that whatever the future brings, your quality of life is as least impacted as possible.
Cultivate community. Whatever your plans, a support network will help you achieve them better, and likely faster, too. Plus, it gives you the added insurance of assistance should your best-laid plans not play out as you expect them to (which happens frequently). Invest in fostering collaborative relationships in your neighborhood, or join existing communities relevant to your location or interests.
Defend your income stream(s). Assess your employment situation how vulnerable is your income? Explore ways to make yourself more valuable to your employer, add additional source(s) of income, and/or create your own business. Steady income makes challenging times much easier to bear by giving you the flexibility to explore different approaches that may work better for the new reality. Without that ability to absorb failure, your options are often much more limited.

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Subject: Robert Wiedemer: Awaiting the Aftershock


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Date Posted: 14:05:36 12/09/12 Sun

I could not agree more, except possibly with the timeframe.


The main thesis in Aftershock is that these bubbles this dollar bubble and this government debt bubble will burst. It is not as if it will not burst for 15 or 20 years. We say it is somewhere in two to four years. You need to be prepared for it.

The debt will always be funded as long as the Federal Reserve stands willing to buy all the bonds that the government sells. At some point, that creates inflation: that pushes up interest rates. The Fed will fight those interest rates going up. At first, they can do it. They just print more money. That keeps interest rates down, but ultimately that inflation will force them up. We cannot just pull the money out and raise interest rates now; it's going to pop the real estate and stock bubbles.

What is going to happen is the Fed is going to lose control of those interest rates. When you print too much money, it gets you control short-term, but it is a recipe for losing control long-term. With those interest rates going up, what is going to pop? The stock market and real estate bubbles. All of that is what kicks off the big problem going forward. Normally you would say the bond market is going to be the problem, but I would tell you that it is actually going to be more stocks and eventually even real estate combined. Then ultimately, the bond market starts to go down, and down quickly once it starts.
When the dam finally breaks, it will break quickly.

Literally, it is in a matter of months or certainly no more than a year once it really starts to go.
You get very, very high inflation. We could have stock market holidays and things like that.

The big difference between now and the depression is that the government is also in trouble at this point. We are really not going to have a huge failure until the government kind of comes to its wits' end. It will, but it comes as a last massive orgy of money printing to try to save everything - unlike anything you have seen yet. QE1, QE2, QE3 is nothing like what the Fed has to do when this thing starts to fall. They have to print, buy, and buy, and buy, and try to keep up the falling house. They will not be able to do it, but that will be the reaction.

Then at some point, it is not going to work and the whole thing goes.

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Subject: Jessica a PS


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Date Posted: 14:00:19 11/16/12 Fri


I just noticed I have not really answered your question, only through implication.

I havent really had time to work the numbers for a few years, but I certainly did not pay any attention to the US elections. Romney can thank his lucky stars he lost. History will certainly not treat Obama kindly, although mostly it is not his fault. In fact spending, as a percentage, has increased less under Obama than any other president since Regan. It is, in my mind, highly likely that the US will go down on his watch.

Two things make it certain for me that the trend I saw when I last worked the numbers, is reality.

1) The hoo-haw when the debt ceiling was last under discussion proves conclusively that there is no turning back. It was stated again and again by officials that if the debt ceiling is not raised, the US will default. If the US cannot service its debt at a lower level, how can raising the debt ceiling correct that situation. (sorry, I can`t figure out how to ``shift`` my puter back to give me a question mark) The US debt is now a Ponzi scheme requiring an ever increasing number of suckers to stay afloat. The magic of compound interest has caught up with the US. I don`t know if this is now true or yet to come shortly, but if the US were to stop ALL social programs AND military spending, and devote the entire resulting revenue to the debt, the debt would continue to grow. (even at todays low interest rates)`Think what would happen if the US were to go into recession and revenue were to fall. Or if interest rates were to go back up. (And no, the government has no tool to CONTROL interest rates in the market except moral suasion or jawboning. Something they are VERY good at. They even have most people convinced they CAN control interest rates. They can`t. The only thing they can control is the rates that they will lend money to the banks at. Normally the markets will efficiently convert that rate to the desired rate. But in abnormal times, like 1929, it did not and does not work.)

2) The world financial system went bankrupt Aug. 17, 2008. Central banks around the world grouped together to give money to the banks, and worse, to change the rules so the banks could both leave these failed assets OFF the books and to legally protect the banks from some of their own stupidity. The mortgage derivatives were blamed, and while certainly they were the trigger, they were only one small part of the estimated one and one half QUADRILLION dollars of risk in the total derivatives market. Total GDP of the US runs in the area of $15 trillion, and a quadrillion is 1000 trillion. Total GDP of the WORLD runs in the area of $50 trillion. Banks are banks in name only and most are not solvent by even the most lax normal rules. Even those who never touched a derivative ever, would be taken down by the zillions of dollars in daily clearings of checks written by customers and the resulting amounts that would be owed by banks who went under because of derivative exposure to those pure souls who had wisely never played with derivatives. We are today seeing the results of the derivative debacle in European banks and the fruitlessness of the attempt by governments to prop up their banking system which was more exposed than most. The US banks are not in much better shape, and then only because they did manage to sell a good deal of that risk to the European banks.

There are other factors and stories, but in my mind it doesn`t really matter who won whichever election, US or China. Mother nature is much more powerful than either, or both together, and it is not worth wasting time thinking about.

Allen

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Date Posted: 14:36:00 12/04/12 Tue



Yup, the world has been "bankrupt" for many years. We're just rearranging the deck chairs, lol.

In the last couple of decades, it's the first time that we've been able to mount such debt and even NOTICE that we havehuge debt (everyone tries to hide it) In Centuries gone by, there certainly has been less debt, as a % of ability to pay and few (who didn't have $, really didn't noticed as they were trying to get bread to live.

So IMHO (In my humble opinion) China holds large weight & we'll see if they stand the test of moving from third world status. It's always messy. Then India and most interestingly, if Russia ever stops being the wild west, I think they'll be a strong player.

I do love Canada, but am afraid of limited view politicians. Where is Sir Arthur Currie and Churchill when we need them now?? (passed, I know) We need some serious hero's in these times

Comments welcome

J


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>I just noticed I have not really answered your
>question, only through implication.
>
>I havent really had time to work the numbers for a
>few years, but I certainly did not pay any attention
>to the US elections. Romney can thank his lucky stars
>he lost. History will certainly not treat Obama
>kindly, although mostly it is not his fault. In fact
>spending, as a percentage, has increased less under
>Obama than any other president since Regan. It is, in
>my mind, highly likely that the US will go down on his
>watch.
>
>Two things make it certain for me that the trend I saw
>when I last worked the numbers, is reality.
>
>1) The hoo-haw when the debt ceiling was last under
>discussion proves conclusively that there is no
>turning back. It was stated again and again by
>officials that if the debt ceiling is not raised, the
>US will default. If the US cannot service its debt at
>a lower level, how can raising the debt ceiling
>correct that situation. (sorry, I can`t figure out how
>to ``shift`` my puter back to give me a question mark)
>The US debt is now a Ponzi scheme requiring an ever
>increasing number of suckers to stay afloat. The
>magic of compound interest has caught up with the US.
>I don`t know if this is now true or yet to come
>shortly, but if the US were to stop ALL social
>programs AND military spending, and devote the entire
>resulting revenue to the debt, the debt would continue
>to grow. (even at todays low interest rates)`Think
>what would happen if the US were to go into recession
>and revenue were to fall. Or if interest rates were to
>go back up. (And no, the government has no tool to
>CONTROL interest rates in the market except moral
>suasion or jawboning. Something they are VERY good at.
>They even have most people convinced they CAN control
>interest rates. They can`t. The only thing they can
>control is the rates that they will lend money to the
>banks at. Normally the markets will efficiently
>convert that rate to the desired rate. But in abnormal
>times, like 1929, it did not and does not work.)
>
>2) The world financial system went bankrupt Aug. 17,
>2008. Central banks around the world grouped together
>to give money to the banks, and worse, to change the
>rules so the banks could both leave these failed
>assets OFF the books and to legally protect the banks
>from some of their own stupidity. The mortgage
>derivatives were blamed, and while certainly they were
>the trigger, they were only one small part of the
>estimated one and one half QUADRILLION dollars of risk
>in the total derivatives market. Total GDP of the US
>runs in the area of $15 trillion, and a quadrillion is
>1000 trillion. Total GDP of the WORLD runs in the area
>of $50 trillion. Banks are banks in name only and most
>are not solvent by even the most lax normal rules.
>Even those who never touched a derivative ever, would
>be taken down by the zillions of dollars in daily
>clearings of checks written by customers and the
>resulting amounts that would be owed by banks who went
>under because of derivative exposure to those pure
>souls who had wisely never played with derivatives.
>We are today seeing the results of the derivative
>debacle in European banks and the fruitlessness of the
>attempt by governments to prop up their banking system
>which was more exposed than most. The US banks are not
>in much better shape, and then only because they did
>manage to sell a good deal of that risk to the
>European banks.
>
>There are other factors and stories, but in my mind it
>doesn`t really matter who won whichever election, US
>or China. Mother nature is much more powerful than
>either, or both together, and it is not worth wasting
>time thinking about.
>
>Allen

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Subject: Jessica


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Date Posted: 09:52:16 11/15/12 Thu

Jessica
Thanks for posting what is a very interesting question. Personally I have been preparing for my scenario by being a very long distance from the fan. Way back in isolation with no electricity, cell or land line phone possible, etc. etc. I seldom am out more than once a week. So I am not really current with details, particularly the abilities of whoever will head the politibureau or whatever it is called in China. Whoever gets the job has a great deal of problem with external circumstances, not only in China, but more importantly around the world.

The stats I have seen indicate Chinas growth is slowing dramatically. I don't need stats to know that Europe is among the walking dead. AND it is spreading. The social unrest says it all. The situation is comparatively severe. I say comparatively because people are always loath to give up benefits that they have come to think of as `rights`. Europe-Greece will get worse. Neither China nor Obama has the power to prevent the tide coming in, no matter how many orders they give.

North America is on this path too. (No matter how much the stats are fudged.) (Mind you, I don`t put ANY faith in government stats from anywhere.) The spiral is downward, a world death spiral.

Canada`s finance minister has just come out with a line that is brilliant on one side, but in the long run will just add to the problem. `We are going to concentrate on those things we can control and ignore those things we can`t` Obama is still trying to save and-or control the world. Honorable attitude but not possible. In the long run that attitude is protectionist and as it grows around the world, there will be more and more interest in personal, immediate self protection, and less and less interest in protecting the worlds long term best interests. Win this immediate battle at all costs, even if it kills us all.

China`s new leadership is under the same gun as all the other world leaders. It is unfortunate that all world leaders are very theoetical, with each their own hoary theories. They belong to a different community than the ordinary, on the ground people. They have different goals and values. (which is not to say the ordinary people theorists have better solutions, just different, even if dealing more directly with real on the ground problems.)

Someone wrote that there are problems and predicaments. Problems have good and bad SOLUTIONS. Predicaments have only the lesser of two evil OPTIONS. America, and most of the world is sure that a solution to the financial PROBLEMS is sure to be found. We are far too far past being just a little bit pregnant for a solution.

China will deal with this badly.

Allen

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