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Date Posted: 23:25:52 09/15/99 Wed
Author: Rev. Sean
Subject: Re: Babies--Heaven or Hell?
In reply to: Gabriel 's message, "Re: Babies--Heaven or Hell?" on 04:20:32 09/15/99 Wed


> >
> > > >
> > > > > > > Just a quick topic to get your opinions
> > > on...I'll
> > > > > > post
> > > > > > > what mine are later, but do you feel that
> > > babies,
> > > > > > > (infant to 2-3 years) go to heaven because
> > > they>
> > > > > Jesus called a little child unto him, and set
> him
> > > in
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > have a chance to know God, or to hell for
> the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > reason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe they go to heaven. For Jesus said,
> > > "2And
> > > > >
> > > > > > the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say
> unto
> > > > you,
> > > > > > Except ye be converted, and become as little
> > > > > children,
> > > > > > ye shall not enter into the kingdom of
> heaven.
> > > > > > 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as
> > this
> > > > > > little child, the same is greatest in the
> > kingdom
> > > > of
> > > > > > heaven."-Matthew 18:2-3.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Loving prayers,
> > > > > > Zuriakim
> > > > >
> > > > > Amen! Let us not forget the vital words of
> > Christ:
> > > > > "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder
> > > them;
> > > > > for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven"
> (Matt.
> > > > > 19:14). Let us also keep in mind that babies,
> > > because
> > > > > they have not yet reached the age of
> > > accountability,
> > > > > cannot act-ually sin. Because they do not have
> > the
> > > > > capability of undergoing justification, God
> will
> > > not
> > > > > hold them accountable for their actions on
> Earth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peace and prayer,
> > > > > Gabriel
> > > >
> > > > But what of origional sin? If the children have
> > not
> > > > been baptized and washed clean, then they still
> > bear
> > > > the stigma of origional sin, and cannot be
> admitted
> > > > into heaven.
> > >
> > > That's the whole reason Zuriakim and I presented
> > those
> > > two verses. Christ will forgive infants of their
> > > original sin because of the fact that they have no
> > > ability to find salvation in Christ. And they do
> not
> > > need forgiveness from act-ual sin because they
> cannot
> > > commit act-ual sin.
> > >
> > > Peace and prayer,
> > > Gabriel
> >
> > You subvert the whole need for salvation if you
> ignore
> > origional sin. If God will take unbaptized children
> > into heaven, then what did Christ die for?
> Acceptance
> > in Christ is the only way in to heaven, because
> Christ
> > is the only way to wash out origional sin. A person
> > could live a sin-free life (in theory) and still go
> to
> > hell if they have not accepted Christ, because they
> > still have origional sin. That is why Catholic
> > children are baptized so early.
>
> Christ died for our sin that we might choose to follow
> Him and attain salvation. Unborn babies or young
> infants simply cannot make that choice. If unborn
> babies die, and go to hell, as you would suggest, then
> why did God create them in the first place? Did He
> create them just to throw them into eternal
> punishment? No. People beyond the age of accoutability
> must choose Christ to be saved and to have their
> original sin wiped away. People under the age of
> accountability do not have a choice, and as Christ
> implied, their original sin will be forgiven, and they
> will enter the kingdom of Heaven.
>
> Yes, it is true that Baptism washes away original sin,
> but I am referring to unborn babies and very young
> infants.
>
> Peace and prayer,
> Gabriel
>
> Peace and prayer,
> Gabriel

If you deny the impact of origional sin, then you ignore the main purpose of Christ's death for us. God gave the Jews ways to attone for sins they commited, but they had no way to erase the origional sin. Jesus is that way. Without Jesus, the most you can hope for is purgatory.

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